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Jeb Bush - Damned if you do - Damned if you don't
March 30, 2005 | watchdog_writer

Posted on 03/30/2005 6:44:50 PM PST by watchdog_writer

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To: watchdog_writer
will need to confirm new judges to federal courts -- including the ever-important Supreme Court

We certainly do. But there are two problems with selecting pro-life judges. As far as I know, although I have not put it to the test, were we to pull down a judicial candidate's draws, we would not find the words "judicial candidate/Model: Pro-life" stamped on their butt cheeks. Then, we also need to consider, that these judges hear a wide variety of cases, and that there are other criteria such as competence which must be taken into the balance.
81 posted on 03/30/2005 8:29:16 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: watchdog_writer
"... we are to blame..."

The problem I have with what's happening is that we take better care of money. If there's a dispute about money, the court puts it into an escrow account until all parties are heard. How about putting Terri into escrow somewhere where she won't die by default.

82 posted on 03/30/2005 8:33:52 PM PST by etcetera (No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom, unless he be vigilant in its preservation.)
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To: watchdog_writer

I wasn't questioning his salvation. I'm not sure if you are questioning mine. But you are correct and I apply that very litmus test to myself. Contrary to modern theology, it is good to question our own salvation.

I don't question another's unless there is persistence in known "open" sin; then we don't have to question, the fruit speaks for itself.

Of course one can be living in "secret" sin and we think they are saints. On the day of judgment, there will probably be many who we don't expect to make it who do and many others who we thought were shoo-ins who won't.

This is all interesting theological discussion but the fact remains: an innocent woman is being systematically murdered in a cold, ruthless fashion and many are hiding behind decorum and sophistry.


83 posted on 03/30/2005 8:49:13 PM PST by streetpreacher (The fires of hell burn hot and try to destroy me, I run to your will Oh God I know you’ll restore me)
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To: watchdog_writer
DEAR GOD! If your not a pro life advocate than what are you? SHE IS STARVING AND DEHYDRATING TO DEATH. SAVE HER. Period end of "DEBATE". You don't even realize what you are saying. If all 300 million people in the United States agreed that she should die it still would be WRONG. I can not believe what is taking place right in front of my eyes.

You know what? I wont even entertain the idea that your logic is right. You are dead wrong and a debate about anything other than the method used to save and innocent woman is absolutely 10000000% out of the question. The courts are wrong, the polls are wrong, the law is wrong and the fact that free people sit around and debate the merits while a human life of an innocent woman is in danger, is wrong. Hell yes, I am pro life. Anything else is subhuman and needs to be confronted-Democrat or Republican.
84 posted on 03/30/2005 8:52:00 PM PST by coffee260 (coffee)
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To: watchdog_writer

Jeb Bush signed a law that expanded life support to include Hydration/sustanance.

I believe it was in 1999. Felos was involved IIRC.

But if you can imagine, I am so disappointed in the system, and I waited far too long for something rational to come of it.

Good luck tracking it down. I'm sure an easy search will show it. If you really need it, I'm sure I can track it down again. But I am really tired.

Everyone has left the Terri Schiavo story. But she is still alive.

You have no idea how that makes me feel. If you do, all the best!

DK


85 posted on 03/30/2005 8:57:00 PM PST by Dark Knight
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To: watchdog_writer

Good stuff. :)


86 posted on 03/30/2005 8:57:46 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: A CA Guy

Fully supported by Felos and Greer - I presume ..??


87 posted on 03/30/2005 9:12:44 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CyberAnt

I think Judges are all pro death of the innocent since the abortion fiasco.
The innocent must die fast, the guilty get an additional 20 years of appeals.


88 posted on 03/30/2005 9:14:52 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

I'll tell you .. America is on the brink of a huge change - and at this point it could go either way. I pray GOD will have mercy upon us and heal our land.


89 posted on 03/30/2005 9:18:11 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CyberAnt

Farwell and the Pope on feeding tubes at this exact moment seems interesting timing.
Maybe God is trying to say something to us?


90 posted on 03/30/2005 9:29:31 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Forget all the "rules of law," forget all the police state, etc. We are a moral people and if we cannot act when an immorality of this level is being carried out right in front of us, (God knows how many are carried out without our knowledge) then heaven help us we have sold our souls to the devil. This nation was founded on the basis of caring for one another. We created families then cities, then states, then a federal government and look where it has brought us. The people have spoken through their congressional representatives and the courts have told us to go to hell. "We the people..." no longer exists. Now, it's "we the courts."


91 posted on 03/30/2005 9:35:32 PM PST by elephantlips
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To: A CA Guy

Yeah .. I've been thinking that too.


92 posted on 03/30/2005 9:43:04 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: watchdog_writer
Wasn't Terri's law overturned by the Florida Supreme Court? During the 2000 election debacle it was mentioned that Florida's Supreme Court judges had to periodically have their positions confirmed by the voters. They can be voted out! Based on their actions regarding the election and their records as discussed then I'd think anyone to whom conservative positions on nearly any issue would want to vote all of them out. Thus letting Jeb and the nominally GOP legislature provide substitutes. During the election debacle there was talk about organizing to do just that.

From here in Iowa I haven't been able to keep up to date on the Florida seven. Have any of them been voted out? Have there been any serious efforts to remove even one of them? If not. than the now well organized Florida protesters have themselves to blame for their past inaction. They could have joined with conservative and GOP activists of many sorts - not just those motivated by pro-life issues - and convinced the voters to change the court and thus could have saved her.

93 posted on 03/30/2005 10:17:18 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (I)
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To: mhking
allow civilized dissent.

I am afraid that this is something that is not longer allowed here. This is upsetting....

94 posted on 03/31/2005 1:20:22 AM PST by .45MAN ("Come Lord Jesus" The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you all. Amen (Rev 22:20))
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To: watchdog_writer

That's what it means to be a leader. If you are volunteering for the job of leader, don't complain when you have to make tough decisions. That's part of being a leader.


95 posted on 03/31/2005 1:24:46 AM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: watchdog_writer

Sorry. No sale.


96 posted on 03/31/2005 1:25:53 AM PST by Lancey Howard (....tick.... tick.... tick.... tick....)
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To: Critter
If I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't, then I damned sure wanna be damned for doing what is morally right.

Well said.

97 posted on 03/31/2005 1:29:15 AM PST by Lancey Howard (....tick.... tick.... tick.... tick....)
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To: William Creel
"The buck stops in the courts in this matter."

Frankly I think the buck stops with us. We've allowed the legislative and executive branches to abdicate their responsibilities over the last 40 years and we haven't punished them or raised a ruckus. I think both the Bush's are good men and it's not reasonable to expect them to grow a spine in this regard overnight.

For example; President Bush signed CRF saying that the courts would fix the unconstitution parts. Huh? He, along with the rest of our elected representatives swore an oath to protect and defend the constitution yet he signed it any way while saying parts were unconstitutional!

Again, I think they're good men, we the voters, either on purpose (in the case of liberals) or through ignorance or timidity, have allowed our republic to be sold by professional politicians that have allowed the "weak sister" of the three branches to take over.

We need the balance the framers designed restored. The question is are we willing to do the heavy lifting because it's not going to fix itself.

"The Constitution . . . meant that its coordinate branches should be checks on each other. But the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch." - Thomas Jefferson

98 posted on 03/31/2005 1:47:08 AM PST by Proud_texan (They that hate Me love death.)
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To: watchdog_writer

When "somebody" had a chance to tell the corrupt courts, and Judge Greer in particular, to go pound sand, "somebody" decided instead to shrug his shoulders, hold up his palms, and say there was nothing he could do. "Somebody" was the Governor of Florida and he was backed down by a stinking county probate judge. God help us all.

All the excuses, all the parsing of words, and the wringing of hands, and the flipping through law books, consulting with lawyers, filing appeal after appeal after appeal, and passing new laws (or trying to), does absolutely nothing to save the fellow human being who is, right before our eyes, being systematically and barbarically murdered by order of the courts. It is excruciating to watch, day after day.

A leader needed to step up, take real action, and simply get it done, one way or the other.
But nobody showed up.

Meanwhile....


99 posted on 03/31/2005 1:54:05 AM PST by Lancey Howard (....tick.... tick.... tick.... tick....)
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To: mountaineer
"What a frightening concept: to expect the government to send in troops whenever the chief executive doesn't agree with a court ruling. Sounds a bit too Soviet for my liking."

Re-read my post. It ain't just the chief executive that doesn't agree with the court ruling----IT IS ALSO THE LEGISLATURE. Thus a majority of the three branches of government has decided on one position, and the third branch is flouting it.

100 posted on 03/31/2005 3:37:43 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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