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British Report Says Death Toll in Darfur Near 300,000; France Delays Vote on Resolution [snip]
Associated Press ^ | 3-30-2005 | Thomas Wagner

Posted on 03/30/2005 6:05:37 PM PST by Pharmboy

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Will this finally bring this tragedy to the front burner?
1 posted on 03/30/2005 6:05:39 PM PST by Pharmboy
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Full headline (it was too big):

British Report Says Death Toll in Darfur Near 300,000; Expecting U.S. Veto, France Delays Vote on Resolution to Try Killers

2 posted on 03/30/2005 6:08:04 PM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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Sort of a side issue, but nonetheless significant, "France agreed to postpone a vote until Thursday after the United States said it wanted to amend the draft resolution to ensure that no Americans could be handed over to the court, the world's first permanent war crimes tribunal, U.N. diplomats said."


3 posted on 03/30/2005 6:39:21 PM PST by GretchenM (Threadbare tagline taken down for repair.)
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300,000 people die in Darfur: Ho Hum, Yawn...

320,000 baby seals die in Canada: MY GOD!! THE INHUMANITY!!

Go figure...

4 posted on 03/30/2005 7:34:50 PM PST by Russ
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Not to forget the 40+ million preborn Americans ...


5 posted on 03/30/2005 7:41:04 PM PST by GretchenM (Threadbare tagline taken down for repair.)
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FITZCARRALDO'S SUDAN WATCH LINK NEXUS [Free Republic]
6 posted on 03/30/2005 7:42:46 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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At the United Nations, France delayed a vote on a resolution that would authorize the prosecution of Sudanese war crimes suspects by the International Criminal Court in hopes of averting a U.S. veto.

Why would the U.S. veto this resolution?

7 posted on 03/30/2005 8:46:32 PM PST by Jambe
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To: Pharmboy

From some research a few months ago:

On a separate issue, it is illuminating that the BBC is reporting that France is opposed to sanctions against the Sudanese:

Some one million people have fled their homes and at least 10,000 have been killed in what the UN calls "the world's worst humanitarian crisis." (107)

France led opposition to US moves at the UN over Iraq. As was the case in Iraq, it also has significant oil interests in Sudan. (107)

Mr Muselier [the French ambassador] also dismissed claims of "ethnic cleansing" or genocide in Darfur. (107)

"I firmly believe it is a civil war and as they are little villages of 30, 40, 50, there is nothing easier than for a few armed horsemen to burn things down, to kill the men and drive out the women," he said. (107)

Human rights activists say the Janjaweed are conducting a genocide against Darfur's black African population. (107)

Those who have fled their homes say the Janjaweed ride on horses and camels into villages which have just been bombed by government aircraft, killing the men and raping the women. (107)

According to Voanews, France's buddy Russia is also contributing to a stable situation in Darfur:

In recent days, Sudan is believed to have received the last of 12 MiG-29 fighter jets it had ordered from Russia. Although the deal was signed three-years ago, the timing of the delivery - five-months ahead of schedule - sparked deep concern about their potential use. (138)

Human-rights groups say refugees in Darfur have testified that their villages were bombed by Russian-made MiG jets belonging to the Sudanese air force. Many activists fear the new jets may be used in a renewed bombing campaign in Darfur. Sudan's threats against foreign intervention in Darfur have also raised fear they could be used against peacekeepers. (138)


10 posted on 03/30/2005 9:03:07 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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It seems like the resolution is worded so that we have to recognize the ICC for Sudanese leaders to be tried there?


11 posted on 03/30/2005 9:20:11 PM PST by aynrandfreak (If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
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Especially not one composed of member countries that have indicated that they would be interested in trying Americans such as our President and SecDef for "war crimes". The French and other interests tacked on the rider to the resolution that says that we have to agree to the authority of that court over our citizens in order for the Darfur monsters to be charged.

Not. Going. To. Happen. Any. Time. Soon.

Now they're going to look stupid and France is desperately trying to keep us from returning the "favor" we did to them at the UN prior to Iraqi Freedom.
Payback's a bi***.


12 posted on 03/30/2005 9:37:05 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Er, that should be "the 'favor' they did us at the UN".


13 posted on 03/30/2005 9:37:43 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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15,000 people are being murdered every month in Darfur.

The UN and the Euro-dreamers propose to end this by having lawyers and judges gather in the Netherlands call 200,000 witnesses and then yak about it for 10 more years and then pronounce a few life sentences for a handful af thugs and stick them in a cushy Euro-jail.

It appears idiot judges with an exaggerated sense of their own importance are not unique to the United States.

14 posted on 03/30/2005 9:42:07 PM PST by cookcounty (If a serial bigamist takes 7 common-law wives, can he legally starve all of them to death or only 6?)
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It's important because the UN, NATO and many other states we have alliances with always expect the USA to take lead military role whenever military action is deemed necessary. It would mean that Americans would end up facing more "war crimes" charges than anyone else, many of them frivolous.

Just look at the hypocrisy over Iraq. Nearly everyone agrees that Saddam was a butcher, a tyrant, a supporter of international terror and a human rights violator. But nobody did anything to take him out. When the USA decided he was a threat, the far left threw a conniption and called for war crimes charges be brought against Americans - but they never had a conniption over Saddam's gassing of 300,000 people, of his support for terror, of his multiple unprovoked attacks against sovereign states, etc and never called for him to face charges. We know the truth about these fools.

The UN and other countries must capitulate on this. If they want both an ICC and the USA taking the lead role in policing the world - which they do - then they have to absolve Americans from facing ICC charges. It's just that simple. They can't have their cake and eat it too.

15 posted on 03/30/2005 9:48:28 PM PST by monkeyshine
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See post 15


16 posted on 03/30/2005 9:49:37 PM PST by monkeyshine
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the UNquagmire.


18 posted on 03/30/2005 10:08:00 PM PST by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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A reminder that the international left used Darfur to attack the credibility of the Bush Administration during the campaign, claiming that Powell was "hyping" and exagerrating the problem. It's time to Unleash the Bolton on this! :-) I look forward to his comments on the effectiveness of the UN in doing nothing whatsoever constructive or in a timely manner.

US 'hyping' Darfur genocide fears Peter Beaumont Sunday October 3, 2004 The Observer American warnings that Darfur is heading for an apocalyptic humanitarian catastrophe have been widely exaggerated by administration officials, it is alleged by international aid workers in Sudan. Washington's desire for a regime change in Khartoum has biased their reports, it is claimed. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sudan/story/0,14658,1318643,00.html
19 posted on 03/30/2005 10:36:10 PM PST by Da Mav
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Will this finally bring this tragedy to the front burner?

Unfortunately, no. And worst of all, by 'front burner' the world always means the United States must invade and begin cleaning up. It's sickening how atrophied the rest of the world is when it comes to dealing with situations like this one. Always on the back of Americans... Damn them, damn that UN.

20 posted on 03/31/2005 1:04:47 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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