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Terri Schiavo's 2002 CT scan
MSNBC ^ | 3 29 05 | msnbc dan abrams interview

Posted on 03/29/2005 9:45:05 PM PST by flixxx

TRANSCRIPT Updated: 4:04 p.m. ET March 29, 2005 The overwhelming majority in the medical community say Terri Schiavo has close to no brain activity and has no chance of regaining awareness. Dr. Ronald Cranford, who actually examined Terri Schiavo in 2002 and testified to her condition, joined "The Abrams Report" on Monday. Cranford is the assistant chief of neurology at the Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis as well as a faculty member at the University of Minnesota's Center for Bioethics. Below is the transcript of their conversation.

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: You're one of the few people who has actually examined Terri Schiavo and you're hearing all of these people who are coming on from the sidelines saying, "She's has been misdiagnosed," et cetera. How confident are you in your diagnosis and why?

DR. RONALD CRANFORD, UNIV. OF MN NEUROLOGIST: I'm extremely confident. I think at the time of the trial in 2002 there had been eight neurologists who examined her. And of those eight neurologists total, seven of them said beyond any doubt whatsoever Terri is in a vegetative state. Her CT scan shows severe atrophy or shrinkage of the brain. Her EEG is flat and there's absolutely no doubt that she's been in a permanent vegetative state ever since 1990. There's no doubt whatsoever, Dan.

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To: Eagles6
Depends on whether he was a "Fundamentalist Christian".

To what question are you responding? If you're responding to the question of whether a test pilot should be allowed to attempt to fly a plane using differential thrust alone when all other control systems fail, I don't see what religion should have to do with it.

201 posted on 03/30/2005 12:12:10 AM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: chuckles

Florida does not recognize common law marriages. It doesn't exist there.

I was also told, but I don't know for sure if it's true, that Florida prohibits divorcing a person in Terri's state.

Are you aware that Michael Schiavo began to date only at the Schindler's urging? They even encouraged him to bring his girlfriends to meet them.


202 posted on 03/30/2005 12:16:05 AM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: texasflower
But, you don't know what my true opinion of this situation is or what should be done because I have never posted it.

Then what is all your megabytes of verbiage for? Are you just having us all on for a lark?

Why not either get serious or get lost?

203 posted on 03/30/2005 12:17:09 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: jess35

you totally misrepresent the facts,she has some movement as we can all see her tracking the damn balloon.
There is also the testimony of nurses who have bottle fed her and spoon fed her.
Their testimony in sworn affidavit refute completely your pathetic rather crude staements.


204 posted on 03/30/2005 12:17:12 AM PST by northernlightsII
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To: supercat
Any doctor who would accept a 'flatline' EEG from someone who moans when prodded

You're making an incorrect assumption.

205 posted on 03/30/2005 12:18:30 AM PST by jess35
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To: jess35

A deceased person by definition could not be kept alive.


206 posted on 03/30/2005 12:18:57 AM PST by northernlightsII
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To: Cherokee Conservative

Well said. Wouldn't want to be on the opposing side if you were at full capacity. The republicans are losing us. They won because they said what the base needed to hear and now they are betraying us.


207 posted on 03/30/2005 12:19:46 AM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: John Valentine

Honey you guys are the ones posting to me.

It's rude not to answer, so I am.

For the record, I am very serious about this case.


208 posted on 03/30/2005 12:21:17 AM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: texasflower
people are posting to you because you attempted to put yourself in the position of an expert and tried to impress all with a few pictures. The beauty of this forum is that such a feeble attempt is easily thwarted
209 posted on 03/30/2005 12:25:31 AM PST by northernlightsII
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To: chuckles
Eyewitness's testified under oath that she follows them around and talks to them and is able to swallow on her own.

ROTLF! And she takes dancing classes as well? Terri doesn't follow anyone anywhere. The two nurses who signed affidavits weren't even called to testify because their claims were so incredible. She has minimal ability to swallow and it isn't sufficient to take food or water orally.

The video clearly shows her following the balloon.

And the video they showed the court displayed about 10 hours of terri doing nothing on command. How many times did they wave the balloon in front of her face before they got 3 seconds of her eyes drifting across the room?

I know it makes you feel better to pretend she's "there" (though why, I can't imagine) but repeating lies about her speaking, walking and voluntarily tracking objects with her eyes on command are not helping anyone.

This is not a grand conspiracy to MURDER!!!!! Poor Terri Schiavo.

210 posted on 03/30/2005 12:25:43 AM PST by jess35
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To: texasflower
TexasFlower, you have to stop introducing facts, logic, and evidence.

Every good conservative knows that there is a massive conspiracy against The Virgin Terri, organized by the Antichrist Michael and the Beast Greer. It's sooooo obvious.

Every person who doesn't believe in the power of Terri is simply a liar and probably a closet Nazi. Every magazine article, medical journal, doctor, lawyer, or judge who doesn't agree that Terri's body should be kept fed and watered is a lying Nazi liar liar. Period.

So, please, stop using facts, stop being rational, stop making a valid case because TERRI IS THE FACE OF CONSERVATISM! She is our new leader! All hail the Cult of Terri!

In all seriousness, I would have hoped that conservatives would be more rational, more reasonable about this. But apparently a custody dispute over a vegetable is a hill the the Right wants to die on.
211 posted on 03/30/2005 12:29:39 AM PST by CaptainJustice (The Cult of Terri is embarrassing)
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To: northernlightsII

I posted the pictures from the link. Where did I say I was an expert?


212 posted on 03/30/2005 12:31:36 AM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: CaptainJustice

LOL! What ever was I thinking! (Do you think they are going to send me off for retraining?)

It's really been something around here lately.

You have a great screen name. I really like it.


213 posted on 03/30/2005 12:33:53 AM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: northernlightsII
you totally misrepresent the facts,she has some movement as we can all see her tracking the damn balloon.

No, she's not tracking the balloon. The person holding the balloon is following her eye movements. They reviewed hours of tape in all the trials and couldn't find any purposeful movement or any indication she could follow commands. A cleverly edited videotape (how many hours did they film to get that 3 second clip) isn't proof of anything.

I really wish y'all would research the facts. I'm tired of having to bring you up to speed.

There is also the testimony of nurses who have bottle fed her and spoon fed her.

Bottle fed? From which orifice did you retrieve that gem?

The nurse who claims she spoon fed Terri was deemed NOT credible by the courts....probably because she claimed a grand conspiracy by the hospice..who went so far as to use a secret magic eraser to remove all the notes she made that showed Terri walking, talking and playing Parchesi (sarcasm).

Their testimony in sworn affidavit refute completely your pathetic rather crude staements.

Their affidavits were dismissed and never used in court. If they'd been credible the Schindlers would have called them to testify, wouldn't they? As it is, even the Schindler lawyers can see a crackpot when they're sitting in front of them.

214 posted on 03/30/2005 12:34:27 AM PST by jess35
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To: northernlightsII
Reading comprehension problems?

Terri died 15 years ago. Through extraordinary measures, they brought her body back to life but her higher brain was so severely damaged they left her a vegetable...who has to depend on life support to survive.

215 posted on 03/30/2005 12:36:30 AM PST by jess35
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To: jess35
Let's get you on the record...

Apparently, you think it's OK to kill the near dead & brain damaged...how 'bout the unborn? Can you kill them too? What about the born, who are physically deformed - can we kill them too? All that's left is to close the gap...who's next? Me??
216 posted on 03/30/2005 12:39:02 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (Michael Schiavo = Scott Peterson - 1 boat.)
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To: concerned about politics

I think there will be great pressure to appoint an autopsy panel of top forensic experts.


217 posted on 03/30/2005 12:42:07 AM PST by Cincinna (BEWARE HILLARY and her HINO)
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To: texasflower; Electrowoman
I have no idea of who this Boyle is or even if he is really a doctor.

As near as I can tell, he is Thomas Patrick Boyle, MD, of DaVinci Diagnostic Imaging, Boca Raton.

I am not a doc, but I would bet Dr Boyle has forgotten more about radiology than that quack Cranford ever knew. If you want to understand Cranford's qualifications, read that article Electowoman linked above.

218 posted on 03/30/2005 12:50:04 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: jess35
Terri died 15 years ago.

If this was so obvious there would be no discussion.

Quite evidently your opinion is but opinion and your lack of respect for Terri and your moral deficit regarding the dignity she should command for no reason other than she is a human being and exists suggest you not objective but subjective regarding the value of life.

To subjectively value the merits of a life is to set oneself up as God -you are not God... You are lacking conscience...

219 posted on 03/30/2005 12:53:20 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: texasflower
There are all sort of people out there and here, saying all sorts of things.

That guy says he's Jesus, his picture looks just like Jesus, he must be Jesus!!

220 posted on 03/30/2005 12:59:26 AM PST by webheart (Pajamarazzi Rules!)
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