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Jeb Bush is courtingdereliction of duty
Worldnetdaily ^ | 3-29-2005 | Dr. Alan Keyes

Posted on 03/29/2005 11:00:33 AM PST by EternalVigilance

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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Maybe nobody's responding because your allegations have no merit.


361 posted on 03/29/2005 4:31:09 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: carl in alaska
"OK Mr. State Policeman, I'm going to disobey my orders and let you walk in here."

They may or may not have drawn guns, but they're not going to just move out of the way. At the very least it would end up in a shoving match between two armed police forces.

Now how could you possibly know that?

362 posted on 03/29/2005 4:36:00 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: carl in alaska

Ridiculous.

That just isn't the way it works in real life.

It's a nice fiction created by someone to try and cover butts.

I'm somewhat shocked that even FReepers could buy such blatant and obvious disinformation.

An order from the Governor of the State of Florida would clear the path to putting an IV in her arm in five minutes. Take it to the bank.


363 posted on 03/29/2005 4:36:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("I thirst.")
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To: tallhappy
The judge directed the removal. He did not grant the right for Schiavo to make the decsion, the judge took that authority and made the decision in the name of the US government.

Okay. I suppose he did. With the conspiratorial sheriff's department huh? Don't let anything like the facts get in your way....

From the Court of Appeals decision in Florida on 2001

>This is a case to authorize the termination of life-prolonging procedures under chapter 765, Florida Statutes (1997), and under the constitutional guidelines enunciated in In re Guardianship of Browning, 568 So.2d 4 (Fla.1990).
From the original decision in 2000 by Greer
The controlling legal authority in this area is a case which arose in St. Petersburg....The court is called upon to apply the law as set forth in In re: Guardianship of Estelle M Browning, supra, to the facts of this case

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ORDERED and ADJUDGED that the Petition for Authorization to Discontinue Artificial Life Support of Michael Schiavo, Guardian of the Person of Theresa Marie Schiavo, an incapacitated person, be and the same is hereby granted and the Petitioner/Guardian is hereby authorized to proceed with the discontinuance of said artificial life support for Theresa Marie Schiavo

So this is what we have. You stated that Greer did not grant the right for Schiavo to make the decision. The decision very clearly states Schiavo is authorized to proceed with discontinuance. Therefore, you were wrong. You stated the judge took that authority and made the decision in the name of the US government. As he is a state judge, you were wrong. Also he took no authority but only upheld current precedent, which makes him a non-activist judge. Again, you were wrong. These are the facts of the case and nothing but.

You are not familar with the case....You don't know what you are talking about.

You were saying?

364 posted on 03/29/2005 4:37:25 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: bvw
Please see #364. It was current law and the judge was not setting precedent but relying on a past judgement by the Florida Supreme Court. Judicial Majesty? How overdramatic....
365 posted on 03/29/2005 4:38:42 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: EternalVigilance

You are just amazing .. I've never seen anyone who can twist and turn statements inside faster than the speed of light.

Good luck with your misguided logic. Hopefully it doesn't get you or someone you love killed.


366 posted on 03/29/2005 4:39:16 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: carl in alaska
Now how could you possibly know that?

Because I asked the lead police officer on site that exact question days ago. He laughed at the mere suggestion that they would disobey an order from the Governor.

In fact, I think most of the cops are praying for such an outcome.

They increasingly realize how hard to live with this act is going to be.

You can see it in their demeanor.

367 posted on 03/29/2005 4:39:18 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("I thirst.")
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To: CyberAnt

Hey, it takes lots of talent to work for the accomplished loser that is Keyes, you have to be good at avoiding truths and logic. (you have to do it soooo much!)


368 posted on 03/29/2005 4:41:39 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Remember when conservatives embraced the rule of law?)
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To: PhiKapMom

"cops won't shoot"

It's typical - people who have never served in any kind of police unit or had family members who do - do not take their duties seriously. It's so misguided.


369 posted on 03/29/2005 4:43:57 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Central Scrutiniser

As if you guys have supplied any logic or truth.


370 posted on 03/29/2005 4:44:12 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("I thirst.")
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To: billbears

Get the latest you should. You do not as yet.


371 posted on 03/29/2005 4:44:47 PM PST by bvw
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To: CyberAnt

It won't kill EV. He/she was there a week. So why didn't he/she simply defy the sheriff's and take the necessary food and water to Terri? Everyone who made the trip to the line the law enforcement had drawn did it symbolically. No one had any intention of assertively crossing that line. Because they were afraid the law enforcement would have "enforced the law."


372 posted on 03/29/2005 4:46:16 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: CyberAnt
"I guess so .. because I see people using laws that have no relevance to the court cases and yet they want it to apply to Terri - it's too late.

I'm physically sick over this issue with Terri - and I am dreading her death. I can't explain it - but I still believe with all my heart that the Bush brothers did all the law would allow them to do to help her. It's sad, really."

Just saw a fascinating edition of Hardball with David Gregory. One guest, a Dr. Bernadine Healy (I think) with U.S. News & World Report stated that Terri's last exam by a qualified Neurologist was in 2002, and that relied on criteria going back to about 2000. She was adament that using today's standards and technology just might have yeielded very different results, and that if an error was to be made, it should have been on the side of life...at least until new tests could be made using current technology.

373 posted on 03/29/2005 4:47:14 PM PST by infocats
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Maybe you can do what none of the attackers have been able to do on this thread and supply a rationale for why Article One, Section Two doesn't apply to Terri Schiavo, and why probate judges can suddenly issue death edicts in this country in direct contravention of the Fifth Amendment.

I'll stop by tomorrow and see how you did...


374 posted on 03/29/2005 4:49:14 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("I thirst.")
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To: CyberAnt

I am not willing to take the chance that they won't shoot -- notice Freepers are not rushing down there to take the chance either but they want Jeb to send in the National Guard but this is not a National Guard function.


375 posted on 03/29/2005 4:49:40 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: joesbucks

You have made my point -- all these people that want Jeb to break the law won't do it themselves including Jesse Jackson.


376 posted on 03/29/2005 4:50:57 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: joesbucks
It won't kill EV. He/she was there a week. So why didn't he/she simply defy the sheriff's and take the necessary food and water to Terri? Everyone who made the trip to the line the law enforcement had drawn did it symbolically. No one had any intention of assertively crossing that line. Because they were afraid the law enforcement would have "enforced the law."

I don't command an army of armed men. Jeb Bush does, or at least he did until he gave command of them over to a tinpot probate judge who thinks he's God.

377 posted on 03/29/2005 4:51:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("I thirst.")
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To: PhiKapMom

You should be ashamed of yourself taunting people towards armed insurrection.


378 posted on 03/29/2005 4:53:20 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("I thirst.")
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To: EternalVigilance

So you weren't willing to give your life so that Terri could have had hers? You never know what may have happened because all the protesters simply wanted to do a little "staged arrest" action like my buddy Dave from Ohio instead of actually doing all they could to get the lady food and water.


379 posted on 03/29/2005 4:54:10 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: Shethink13; All

DCF issued an order to remove Terri. DCF laws say that within 24 hours the circuit court has the right to rule for or against the order to remove. Judge Greer issued a court order against the DCF order to remove. The local police were willing to enforce the order - which police officers are sworn to do.

Therefore, if the Gov. had gone to get Terri - IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE THE LAW AND AGAINST HIS SWORN DUTY TO UPHOLD IT.

Now .. if you can find a statute which can get around the legal court order - please enlighten us.


380 posted on 03/29/2005 4:54:29 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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