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Russian chopper down in Chechnya
BBC ^ | Tuesday, 22 March, 2005

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:42:48 AM PST by Grzegorz 246

A Russian Mi-8 military helicopter has crashed in the war-ravaged Chechnya region, with some reports saying six people on board were killed. The crash happened 20km (13 miles) from the main Russian military base at Khankala, near Grozny.

It is not clear whether the crash was caused by technical difficulties or rebel activity.

Chechen separatists have been battling Russian forces in the region for more than five years.

Nine passengers and three crew were said to be on board the aircraft.

But sources differed on casualty figures, with some officials saying no one had died.

Helicopter crashes are common in Chechnya, with a number lost to rebel ground fire, but others coming down because of pilot error or technical malfunctions.

The last incident happened on 11 March, when a helicopter hit power lines, killing 11 soldiers.

Bullet holes were later reportedly found in the tail.

The crash came just three days after the death of Chechen rebel leader Aslan Maskhadov.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; Russia
KEYWORDS: chechnya; putin; russia
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To: ms_68
Do the persecuted ones meet their opressors like that?! GET REAL MAN!!!

Great, the revolutionary school kids shake the hand of a Communist president of Communist ruled Poland. Wow, that's such an improvement.

41 posted on 03/31/2005 8:44:11 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: ms_68

You all look like Slavs to me. By the way, there is no such ethnicity as Ukranian - it is a geographic and linguistic distinction.


42 posted on 03/31/2005 8:45:35 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: ms_68

Hay brightlight, look, there's no Poland either. Guess you're either a Goth or an East German. Next time you try to make a point, think first.

43 posted on 03/31/2005 8:51:50 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: ms_68

PRESIDENTS OF THE BALTIC STATES AND UKRAINE WILL NOT TAKE PART IN THE CELEBRATIONS OF THE SO CALLED LIBERATION BY THE RED ARMY ON MAY 9, 2005.===

Really?:))

Do the victims, do the persecuted ones meet their oppressors with frenetic joy?!===

Some of them forgot some thing but the peopel of maidan isn't all Ukraine.
Bloohshed in Vistula happened not very long ago. DOn't you forget.

Just learn real history not limited polish version.


44 posted on 03/31/2005 9:25:26 PM PST by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

So why the heck are these cities in Russia now? ==

Minsk and Kiev? Those are cities founded ancient Kiev Rus from what Russia developed.
OR you insist that those cities was founded by Poland?:))))


45 posted on 03/31/2005 9:27:35 PM PST by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

All of eastern Europe was founded by Poland, back during Julius Ceasar's day. That's where the Roman gods went to procreate, giving people like ms-68 his divine ability to rewrite history. Then came along the Russian-Hun-Tatar and slowly ate away at the Polish lands, stealing and cooking their babies. Bad Booboo, Bad. Sit.


46 posted on 03/31/2005 9:32:48 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: RusIvan

Oh and if you make one like snappy comments in really big font, then your point must be the truth.


47 posted on 03/31/2005 9:33:22 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: ms_68

Here's what's different. The Poles did not take over schools and kill kids in wholesale batches.

That's my big problem with Islamic "rebels". They have no problem targeting the innocent. As long as they keep doing that, I will support kicking their f___ing a$$es all over the place.

They're a bunch of sissies and cowards and murderers and deserve what they get.

I was no fan of going into Iraq, but the actions of the vermin over there (beheading reporters, relief workers, women, etc,) have made me a supporter of wiping them off the face of the earth.


48 posted on 03/31/2005 9:42:22 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: ms_68

As to WWII, Russia was a good ally of Hitler, so why should we celebrate the victory of the Nazis' allies? ===

Russia is nazi ally?:))))) It is just laughable nothing more.
You in critical state of denial dude.
SO stupid thing to declare I didn't hear before.

Isn't it was USSR who destroyed capital of nazi Germany? Who destroyed nazi army under Stalingrad, Moscow, Kursk on Visla, Oder and so on and on.
Isn't it was USSR who fred your people from nazi?

You just ungrateful ... nothing more.



53 posted on 03/31/2005 11:29:51 PM PST by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
I truly believe that we had enough wars and expatriations in previous century in Europe for a long, loooooong time. That's why Poland, Germany or any other country should NOT "claim" anything from others - even though it was not their independent decision in Yalta or Potsdam to look as they currently look. At the same time we should speak truth about our common history and take into account arguments of the other side, as well. In this manner we would consider fair Pilsudski's support for Ukrainian national aspirations by ataman SIMON PETLURA that unfortunately didn't win much of support among ethnic Ukrainians in 1919 and 1920 (check: SIMON PETLURA for details ) Apart from Pilsudski's firm support for Ukrainian independence (grab others land????) there was obviously an aggressive, irresponsible stance towards minorities by post-Pilsudski military governments. No question about that. Do you agree?
54 posted on 04/01/2005 12:06:38 AM PST by twinself
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To: RusIvan
Whether you want it or not in years 1939-1941 Soviet Russia was Hitler's Germany ally. It only became USSR's enemy after the attack in June 1941 that came to Stalin's surprise from his former partner in crime. You probably heard about Winter War of 1939 when USSR attacked Finland and backstabbing Poland on 17th of September 1939 after it has been attacked by Nazis, right? Don't mention so called annexation of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

On September 24, 1939, Estonian Foreign Minister, K. Selter, arrived in Moscow for a meeting with Molotov. With Soviet troops massed on Estonia’s border and military reconnaissance planes patrolling regularly over Tallinn, minister Selter was given an ultimatum. Under the pretext of the need for the establishment of Soviet military bases next to the Baltic Sea to offer an adequate defense of Leningrad, Minister Molotov stated, "If the Estonian government were to fail to admit of these necessary alterations, the Soviet Union would be forced to carry them out otherwise, employing more radical measures which might prove to be unavoidable." (Rei 260) On September 25, 1939, Minister Selter agreed to Moscow’s demands. Latvia and Lithuania, given the same threat of invasion, were summoned for meetings in Moscow on October 2, 1939. Minister V. Munters represented Latvia, and J. Urbsys represented Lithuania. Latvia signed the pact on October 5, 1939 and Lithuania on October 10, 1939.

from:http://depts.washington.edu/baltic/papers/worldwar2.htm

Knowing it all how can YOU say that USSR WASN'T HITLER'S ALLY?
55 posted on 04/01/2005 12:25:29 AM PST by twinself
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To: twinself

Apart from Pilsudski's firm support for Ukrainian independence (grab others land????) there was obviously an aggressive, irresponsible stance towards minorities by post-Pilsudski military governments. No question about that. Do you agree?===

Sir the eastern border of Poland in 1939 was neaer Minsk and included the terrirory of western Ukraine with Lwow.
If it is "support" of ukranian independence when Pulsudskii or polish goverment after him kept ukraniand and bellorussian lands I then don't know what then is "deny".
If we all knwo that ukranian independence movement began from killing polish interior minister in 1935 or 36.


57 posted on 04/01/2005 3:02:34 AM PST by RusIvan
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To: twinself

Whether you want it or not in years 1939-1941 Soviet Russia was Hitler's Germany ally.==

From 1939-41 yes. BUT your pictures and capital letters intented to beleive that USSR was ALWAYS Hitler ally. Whiah is against even most unreasonable but logic:).

Anyway what USSR took from Poland wasn't polish lands. But lands of ukranians and bellorussians. WHat USSR gave back to Poland is Gdansk, part of Silesia, Stettin and other historical german lands.
So for Poland it was exchange one land which never belonged to Poland on anther land which never belonged to Poland too.


58 posted on 04/01/2005 3:06:47 AM PST by RusIvan
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To: ms_68

Show me only one European neighboring country where you're not hated????!!!!==

Hated? Look to Britain. Irland hates them for many years of occupation. SO what? If it concerns british?

Someone in Latin America hates United States. Call them "gringos". If it concerns United States?

Any europian nation sometimes war with each other. 2 World Wars went in Europe remember?
What today? It all calm down.
SO same will be with Russia.


59 posted on 04/01/2005 3:13:16 AM PST by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

Please read biographical note of Simon Petlura I've published in my previous post. Petlura agreed to recognize Polish right to Lwow in turn of Pilsudski's support against Red Army bolshevicks. It was Polish-Ukrainian federation against the bolshevicks. Again, after the battle of Warsaw Petlura was to weak to struggle alone with Red Army and Ukrainian nationalism wasn't strong enough then to hold the battle for full independence on their own. Which is actually a pity - Ukrainians deserved their independence then.


60 posted on 04/01/2005 3:24:32 AM PST by twinself
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