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Citizenship row divides Latvia
BBC News ^ | 25 March, 2005 | Angus Roxburgh

Posted on 03/27/2005 10:41:36 PM PST by jb6

In a park in the Latvian capital Riga, a small group of protesters gathers, all Russian, some wearing paper hats inscribed with the word "Alien". Latvian police carry out a small, bureaucratic piece of harassment. With a tape, and much officiousness, they measure the distance between the demonstrators and the nearest public building, a school on the other side of the road.

The protest is two metres too close, so the police move it a little further down the path.

The protesters don't mind. They are there to object to a much greater injustice.

More than 450,000 Russians and native Russian-speakers - out of a total Latvian population of 2.3m - are classed as "non-citizens" because they have failed (or refused) to take a test in Latvian language and history, which would allow them to have citizenship.

This was local election day, and they were protesting about the fact that as "aliens", despite having lived in Latvia all their lives, they had no right to take part in the elections - whereas citizens of other EU countries could vote if they had lived there for a mere six months.

"I was born here," said one young man. "I pay the same taxes as Latvians. Yet I'm not allowed to vote for the politicians who spend those taxes."

"I'm here to protest against the government's policy of dividing society along ethnic lines," said another.

The fate of the non-citizens - who account for 20% of the entire population of Latvia - is a complex one.

Soviet migrants

When Latvia gained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, it granted automatic citizenship to those who had lived in the first independent Latvian state - between 1918 and 1940 - but not to those who immigrated here after the war, when Latvia was occupied by the Soviet Union.

Latvia suffered hugely under Soviet rule.

Thousands were arrested and sent to Siberian labour camps, or executed, during the Stalin years.

MEP Tatjana Zdanoka uses her position to highlight the issue Later, hundreds of thousands of Russians, Belarussians and Ukrainians flooded into the republic under a deliberate policy of Russification. The Latvian language was squeezed out of official use.

Latvians were resentful citizens of the USSR. By 1991, they comprised only half of the population of their own country, while in Riga only a third were Latvian.

Even today, Russian is heard as commonly as Latvian on the streets of Riga.

But the government is determined to revive the Latvian identity. It says its policy towards Russians who immigrated here during the Soviet period is aimed not at punishing them for the sins of the Soviet regime (as some suspect) but at ensuring that they learn Latvian and integrate fully into society.

In order to naturalise, Russians must take a test in Latvian, and pass an exam about Latvian history - in which they must "correctly" answer that the country was occupied and colonised, not liberated, by the Soviet Union in 1945.

Many of the Russians at the demonstration on election day said they found that psychologically difficult. They said they wanted to integrate (and many could speak Latvian), but they found the idea of applying for citizenship humiliating.

"I lived here - same as them - and I was a citizen of the USSR," said a middle-aged woman. "They deprived me of my citizenship, and now I must apply to become one! I just won't do it."

Separate, but together

Tatjana Zdanoka is Latvia's only Russian member of the European Parliament and uses her position to publicise the position of the Russian minority.

She says her mother, who has lived in Latvia for 60 years and worked here for 45 years as a schoolteacher, has no right to vote.

"She is 83 and has bad eyes. Of course she's not capable of taking any kind of exam."

Facts about Latvia Latvia was independent from 1918 to 1939 After World War II it was a part of the USSR It regained independence in 1991 700,000 Soviet-time migrants and their children became non-citizens By the time Latvia joined the EU in 2004, this figure had dropped to around 450,000 Latvia's total population is 2,3m (including non-citizens)

Igor Vatolin, a journalist on the newspaper Chas and a Russian rights activist, said the Latvian Popular Front, which led the fight for independence at the end of the 1980s, promised citizenship to everyone living in the republic.

"But they reneged on that - even though thousands of Russians voted with them in favour of independence in the referendum of 1991," he said.

There is no ethnic strife in the streets of Latvia. The two peoples live peacefully together. But politicians on both sides, and in Russia itself, stir things up.

Moscow rarely misses a chance to complain at international meetings of Latvia's "human rights abuses", while the head of the Latvian parliament's foreign affairs committee, Aleksandrs Kirsteins, has described the non-citizens as "civilian occupiers".

He called for an agreement with the Russian government under which all the unwanted foreigners would be herded on to trains and shipped back to their "ethnic homeland" - with a brass band playing on the platform to see them off.

Latvia's two communities deserve credit for by and large ignoring such provocative statements. Despite the bitterness and insecurity on both sides, they have succeeded in forging a peaceful co-existence - somewhat separate, but together.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: aliens; bigotry; latvia; racism; russia; sameoldsameold
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To: free_european

It relates mainly to people from Slask (Silesia, Schlesien), who were considered by German authorities as ethnic Germans.


61 posted on 03/28/2005 12:01:35 PM PST by lizol
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To: lizol

That entire posting is total nonsense regarding the German procedures to grant citizenship.

I also think they changed the requirements to get welfare following the floridarolf case. Originally the possibility to receive welfare while being abroad was introduced for the remaining German Jews who left Germany for Israel after WW2.


62 posted on 03/28/2005 12:02:57 PM PST by floridarolf (Whom we love we allow to do us harm (Turkish saying translated from German))
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To: lizol

Interesting. My best friend's parents were from Schlesien.


63 posted on 03/28/2005 12:04:43 PM PST by free_european
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To: 1rudeboy
Yup, I missed the part where Germany occupied the Baltics for 40+ years, and outlawed speaking/writing/reading in the native language, practising the native religion, exercising democracy, and all that. Is that why you Rodina-types envy the Nazis so? They get all the "acclaim," yet the Soviets were so much "better" in almost every way.

The Russians sent to Latvia were, in many cases, sent there by decree of the Soviet government. They were simply tools of the Politburo in its attempts to destroy nationalist identities in the USSR. They should not be punished by the Latvian government due to the actions of the USSR.

64 posted on 03/28/2005 12:07:39 PM PST by Modernman ("They're not people, they're hippies!"- Cartman)
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To: floridarolf
I don't know, maybe they changed it.
I'm not any specialist on German welfare law.
I've only seen it on Polish TV, several months ago. The funny thing was, that those young ladies got their welfare (for doing nothing), which was more or less the same amount of money, as pretty good salary in Poland.
65 posted on 03/28/2005 12:10:41 PM PST by lizol
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To: varon
jb6 spews communist politburo propaganda at every opportunity like a true party apparatchik.

I see you're along to add to the thread. Prove one thing I put down is communist, I'll be waiting.

66 posted on 03/28/2005 12:18:19 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: lizol

I just googled for it. They really changed it! Unbelievable! Horray! I almost expected that plans to be only hot air let of in TV talkshows (like usually).

Since April 2004 only the old people above 70 and some other exceptions (being in jail etc) get welfare abroad. Maybe the women on TV spend half the year or so on holiday in Poland and the other half here. Perhaps that leaves them entitled for the money.


67 posted on 03/28/2005 12:24:00 PM PST by floridarolf (Whom we love we allow to do us harm (Turkish saying translated from German))
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To: varon

Exactly.


68 posted on 03/28/2005 12:29:10 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: floridarolf

If they changed it - it only proves, there are still sane people in Germany.


69 posted on 03/28/2005 12:31:39 PM PST by lizol
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To: jb6
Prove one thing I put down is communist,

Take your pick of any of your posts. Your support of remnants of the civilian occupation force that decimated the population by forced relocation to Siberian slave labor camps and a systematic destruction of national identity by the Soviet Communists is proof enough for me and any other open minded person cognizant of all the facts.

I admire the restraint of the Latvian people in not engaging in revenge executions and reclaiming of all confiscated property after regaining their independence.

70 posted on 03/28/2005 12:39:20 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: varon
Take your pick of any of your posts. Your support of remnants of the civilian occupation force that decimated the population by forced relocation to Siberian slave labor camps and a systematic destruction of national identity by the Soviet Communists is proof enough for me and any other open minded person cognizant of all the facts.

Oh gads are you ever stretching it. I'm sure those factory workers who were themselves relocated were just about decimating the population. Sure, especially those old grandmas. Most of those "aliens" voted along with the Latvians to suceed into an independent state and as soon as the Latvian politicians got that vote, they back stabbed them.

I admire the restraint of the Latvian people in not engaging in revenge executions and reclaiming of all confiscated property after regaining their independence.

Sure and launch their nation into a civil war against what was then the other 40% of the population, that was never an option but obviously parading the SS shows they are sliding that way.

I wonder, if you'd be so mellow if the Germans were having SS veteran parades?

71 posted on 03/28/2005 2:03:16 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: varon
And if demanding citizenship for people who are born in a country and work there their whole lives (I know it was their faults for being born there /sarcasm) is communist, then buddy you don't have much of a view of America. It's just plain fair. But by your mentality, Zimbabwe was right in throwing out the white farmers and grabbing their land. And you must also admire the restraint that the Zim officials and "veterans" have shown in not massacring those devil English who had settled in their land and grabbed that land. Mugabe would be proud.
72 posted on 03/28/2005 2:06:03 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

I am suprised there are any Jews in Latvia. The citizens of Latvia murdered every one of Jewish blood in WWII, with unexcelled glee. They are as crummie as the Lithuanins and the people of the Ukraine! Thankfully these slime bags will pay one day!


73 posted on 03/28/2005 2:13:11 PM PST by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name, His Son Yahshua Messiah is coming soon!)
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To: Lewite

While the concentration camps were under construction, the Nazis were shipping Berlin Jews to the tender mercies of the 15th Latvian SS.


74 posted on 03/28/2005 2:15:05 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Lewite; varon
Sounds like you'll get a woody the next time some knuckle-dragging revanchist like Zhirinovsky sends the tanks in to crush unarmed civilians. That's all the Soviets were ever good for . . . exterminating men, women, and children, including their own. Small wonder you borscht-eating cretins howl "Nazi" every time some country 1/1000 the size of yours actually attempts to act in its own interest, it's like you suffer from a geopolitical version of penis-envy.
75 posted on 03/28/2005 3:15:53 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Sounds like you'll get a woody the next time some knuckle-dragging revanchist like Zhirinovsky sends the tanks in to crush unarmed civilians. That's all the Soviets were ever good for . . . exterminating men, women, and children, including their own. Small wonder you borscht-eating cretins howl "Nazi" every time some country 1/1000 the size of yours actually attempts to act in its own interest, it's like you suffer from a geopolitical version of penis-envy.

If you paid attention to my posts, you'll see that directing your post toward me is uncalled for.

I don't think you'll find anyone more anti-communist and anti-Soviet than me on this forum.

76 posted on 03/28/2005 4:13:18 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: anonymoussierra
"I lived here - same as them - and I was a citizen of the USSR," said a middle-aged woman. "They deprived me of my citizenship, and now I must apply to become one! I just won't do it."
77 posted on 03/28/2005 4:33:21 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: varon

Nothing like a little multiculturalism/diversity, courtesy of Soviet Communism.


78 posted on 03/28/2005 4:38:29 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Modernman

They were citizens of the USSR, not Latvia. If they would like to become citizens of Latvia, it is not unreasonable that they take a few tests.


79 posted on 03/28/2005 4:40:08 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: varon

I simply wanted you to see my rant. Sometimes these guys really tick me off.


80 posted on 03/28/2005 5:27:04 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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