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Citizenship row divides Latvia
BBC News ^ | 25 March, 2005 | Angus Roxburgh

Posted on 03/27/2005 10:41:36 PM PST by jb6

In a park in the Latvian capital Riga, a small group of protesters gathers, all Russian, some wearing paper hats inscribed with the word "Alien". Latvian police carry out a small, bureaucratic piece of harassment. With a tape, and much officiousness, they measure the distance between the demonstrators and the nearest public building, a school on the other side of the road.

The protest is two metres too close, so the police move it a little further down the path.

The protesters don't mind. They are there to object to a much greater injustice.

More than 450,000 Russians and native Russian-speakers - out of a total Latvian population of 2.3m - are classed as "non-citizens" because they have failed (or refused) to take a test in Latvian language and history, which would allow them to have citizenship.

This was local election day, and they were protesting about the fact that as "aliens", despite having lived in Latvia all their lives, they had no right to take part in the elections - whereas citizens of other EU countries could vote if they had lived there for a mere six months.

"I was born here," said one young man. "I pay the same taxes as Latvians. Yet I'm not allowed to vote for the politicians who spend those taxes."

"I'm here to protest against the government's policy of dividing society along ethnic lines," said another.

The fate of the non-citizens - who account for 20% of the entire population of Latvia - is a complex one.

Soviet migrants

When Latvia gained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, it granted automatic citizenship to those who had lived in the first independent Latvian state - between 1918 and 1940 - but not to those who immigrated here after the war, when Latvia was occupied by the Soviet Union.

Latvia suffered hugely under Soviet rule.

Thousands were arrested and sent to Siberian labour camps, or executed, during the Stalin years.

MEP Tatjana Zdanoka uses her position to highlight the issue Later, hundreds of thousands of Russians, Belarussians and Ukrainians flooded into the republic under a deliberate policy of Russification. The Latvian language was squeezed out of official use.

Latvians were resentful citizens of the USSR. By 1991, they comprised only half of the population of their own country, while in Riga only a third were Latvian.

Even today, Russian is heard as commonly as Latvian on the streets of Riga.

But the government is determined to revive the Latvian identity. It says its policy towards Russians who immigrated here during the Soviet period is aimed not at punishing them for the sins of the Soviet regime (as some suspect) but at ensuring that they learn Latvian and integrate fully into society.

In order to naturalise, Russians must take a test in Latvian, and pass an exam about Latvian history - in which they must "correctly" answer that the country was occupied and colonised, not liberated, by the Soviet Union in 1945.

Many of the Russians at the demonstration on election day said they found that psychologically difficult. They said they wanted to integrate (and many could speak Latvian), but they found the idea of applying for citizenship humiliating.

"I lived here - same as them - and I was a citizen of the USSR," said a middle-aged woman. "They deprived me of my citizenship, and now I must apply to become one! I just won't do it."

Separate, but together

Tatjana Zdanoka is Latvia's only Russian member of the European Parliament and uses her position to publicise the position of the Russian minority.

She says her mother, who has lived in Latvia for 60 years and worked here for 45 years as a schoolteacher, has no right to vote.

"She is 83 and has bad eyes. Of course she's not capable of taking any kind of exam."

Facts about Latvia Latvia was independent from 1918 to 1939 After World War II it was a part of the USSR It regained independence in 1991 700,000 Soviet-time migrants and their children became non-citizens By the time Latvia joined the EU in 2004, this figure had dropped to around 450,000 Latvia's total population is 2,3m (including non-citizens)

Igor Vatolin, a journalist on the newspaper Chas and a Russian rights activist, said the Latvian Popular Front, which led the fight for independence at the end of the 1980s, promised citizenship to everyone living in the republic.

"But they reneged on that - even though thousands of Russians voted with them in favour of independence in the referendum of 1991," he said.

There is no ethnic strife in the streets of Latvia. The two peoples live peacefully together. But politicians on both sides, and in Russia itself, stir things up.

Moscow rarely misses a chance to complain at international meetings of Latvia's "human rights abuses", while the head of the Latvian parliament's foreign affairs committee, Aleksandrs Kirsteins, has described the non-citizens as "civilian occupiers".

He called for an agreement with the Russian government under which all the unwanted foreigners would be herded on to trains and shipped back to their "ethnic homeland" - with a brass band playing on the platform to see them off.

Latvia's two communities deserve credit for by and large ignoring such provocative statements. Despite the bitterness and insecurity on both sides, they have succeeded in forging a peaceful co-existence - somewhat separate, but together.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: aliens; bigotry; latvia; racism; russia; sameoldsameold
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To: Tailgunner Joe

When you're born in a country you're not an illegal alien, so don't try to change the subject.


21 posted on 03/27/2005 11:56:45 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The only others with immigration policies like this, people who think just like you, are the Saudies. How quaint.
22 posted on 03/27/2005 11:57:29 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

When born in the US you're not an illegal alien. In Latvia the standard is a little higher.


23 posted on 03/27/2005 11:57:51 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yeah, it's aimed at one ethnic group: that's called racism. Again, you don't show a problem with it.


24 posted on 03/27/2005 11:59:31 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6
No, it's aimed at people who can pass a test in Latvian language and history.

Not unassimilated invaders who refuse to do so.

25 posted on 03/28/2005 12:04:09 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
When Latvia gained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, it granted automatic citizenship to those who had lived in the first independent Latvian state - between 1918 and 1940 - but not to those who immigrated here after the war, when Latvia was occupied by the Soviet Union.

There, the same policy that the Saudies follow. I see you approve. Certain gentlemen tried to use similiar things against Japanese Americans once, thankfully a really free country, ours, knocked that down.

She says her mother, who has lived in Latvia for 60 years and worked here for 45 years as a schoolteacher, has no right to vote. "She is 83 and has bad eyes. Of course she's not capable of taking any kind of exam."

How nice.

Igor Vatolin, a journalist on the newspaper Chas and a Russian rights activist, said the Latvian Popular Front, which led the fight for independence at the end of the 1980s, promised citizenship to everyone living in the republic. "But they reneged on that - even though thousands of Russians voted with them in favour of independence in the referendum of 1991," he said.

Here's the part I'm sure you approve of. I hope you're not upset he's not advocating a Arbeiten Machts Frie camp.

while the head of the Latvian parliament's foreign affairs committee, Aleksandrs Kirsteins, has described the non-citizens as "civilian occupiers". He called for an agreement with the Russian government under which all the unwanted foreigners would be herded on to trains and shipped back to their "ethnic homeland" - with a brass band playing on the platform to see them off.

26 posted on 03/28/2005 12:04:11 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
And I'm sure you really enjoyed this statement, all your statements sure prove the point.

Many of the Russians at the demonstration on election day said they found that psychologically difficult. They said they wanted to integrate (and many could speak Latvian), but they found the idea of applying for citizenship humiliating

27 posted on 03/28/2005 12:06:08 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6
Yes, I approve of the policy of not granting citizenship to those who immigrated there when it was occupied by the Soviet Union. It was the Soviet Union (which you defend) which made these people citizens, it was not Latvia.

Russians who can speak Latvian would rather turn down citizenship than accept this? Sounds like they are the ones who screwed themselves.

28 posted on 03/28/2005 12:14:19 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Russians who can speak Latvian would rather turn down citizenship than accept this? Sounds like they are the ones who screwed themselves.

That's like making American born Hispanics apply for citizenship. That is racist and if you cannot see it you are blind.
29 posted on 03/28/2005 4:16:41 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Russians who can speak Latvian would rather turn down citizenship than accept this? Sounds like they are the ones who screwed themselves.

That's like making American born Hispanics apply for citizenship. That is racist and if you cannot see it you are blind.
30 posted on 03/28/2005 4:17:12 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: gr8eman
No - the Neo-Nazis who run Latvia hate the Russians - the ordinary people ignore these provocations. The Soviets invaded the Baltics - they then force migrated people of all ethnic stripes into Latvia - All you can say is that they are Russian speakers for the most part - They can be Ukranian, Georgian, White Russian or Jewish, etc.

As for Latvians and the Jews - that's another story.

31 posted on 03/28/2005 6:37:06 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: jb6

Of course they are - the Jews of Europe are next after the Slavs.


32 posted on 03/28/2005 6:38:32 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: jb6

You're not going to find much sympathy on this forum, unless you are able to distinguish why Latvian citizens should be allowed to speak Russian, and why American citizens should not be allowed to speak Spanish, for example.


33 posted on 03/28/2005 6:41:11 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: jb6
I guess you can't read where people born there are being denied citizenship vs those Germans or Spainards who arrive for only 6 months.

Maybe I haven't been keeping up, but to my knowledge Germany and Spain did not illegally occupy Latvia.

34 posted on 03/28/2005 6:43:41 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Destro

Latvians are sending Slavs to the ovens?


35 posted on 03/28/2005 6:45:47 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

They did once. Now they are just putting them in a political ghetto.


36 posted on 03/28/2005 6:55:50 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

And of course, we all know that the Soviets treated Jews as human beings. /sarc


37 posted on 03/28/2005 7:00:25 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Depends on the Jews you ask. Jews were better off in the USSR or in Nazi occupied Europe, discuss amongst yourselves - I'll get the cawfee.


38 posted on 03/28/2005 7:16:13 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: 1rudeboy
Maybe I haven't been keeping up, but to my knowledge Germany and Spain did not illegally occupy Latvia

Guess you missed that whole WW2 thingy.

39 posted on 03/28/2005 8:34:01 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: 1rudeboy; Destro; A. Pole; GarySpFc
You're not going to find much sympathy on this forum, unless you are able to distinguish why Latvian citizens should be allowed to speak Russian, and why American citizens should not be allowed to speak Spanish, for example.

Gee, that's a hard one: Freedom?

40 posted on 03/28/2005 8:35:47 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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