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Citizenship row divides Latvia
BBC News ^ | 25 March, 2005 | Angus Roxburgh

Posted on 03/27/2005 10:41:36 PM PST by jb6

In a park in the Latvian capital Riga, a small group of protesters gathers, all Russian, some wearing paper hats inscribed with the word "Alien". Latvian police carry out a small, bureaucratic piece of harassment. With a tape, and much officiousness, they measure the distance between the demonstrators and the nearest public building, a school on the other side of the road.

The protest is two metres too close, so the police move it a little further down the path.

The protesters don't mind. They are there to object to a much greater injustice.

More than 450,000 Russians and native Russian-speakers - out of a total Latvian population of 2.3m - are classed as "non-citizens" because they have failed (or refused) to take a test in Latvian language and history, which would allow them to have citizenship.

This was local election day, and they were protesting about the fact that as "aliens", despite having lived in Latvia all their lives, they had no right to take part in the elections - whereas citizens of other EU countries could vote if they had lived there for a mere six months.

"I was born here," said one young man. "I pay the same taxes as Latvians. Yet I'm not allowed to vote for the politicians who spend those taxes."

"I'm here to protest against the government's policy of dividing society along ethnic lines," said another.

The fate of the non-citizens - who account for 20% of the entire population of Latvia - is a complex one.

Soviet migrants

When Latvia gained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, it granted automatic citizenship to those who had lived in the first independent Latvian state - between 1918 and 1940 - but not to those who immigrated here after the war, when Latvia was occupied by the Soviet Union.

Latvia suffered hugely under Soviet rule.

Thousands were arrested and sent to Siberian labour camps, or executed, during the Stalin years.

MEP Tatjana Zdanoka uses her position to highlight the issue Later, hundreds of thousands of Russians, Belarussians and Ukrainians flooded into the republic under a deliberate policy of Russification. The Latvian language was squeezed out of official use.

Latvians were resentful citizens of the USSR. By 1991, they comprised only half of the population of their own country, while in Riga only a third were Latvian.

Even today, Russian is heard as commonly as Latvian on the streets of Riga.

But the government is determined to revive the Latvian identity. It says its policy towards Russians who immigrated here during the Soviet period is aimed not at punishing them for the sins of the Soviet regime (as some suspect) but at ensuring that they learn Latvian and integrate fully into society.

In order to naturalise, Russians must take a test in Latvian, and pass an exam about Latvian history - in which they must "correctly" answer that the country was occupied and colonised, not liberated, by the Soviet Union in 1945.

Many of the Russians at the demonstration on election day said they found that psychologically difficult. They said they wanted to integrate (and many could speak Latvian), but they found the idea of applying for citizenship humiliating.

"I lived here - same as them - and I was a citizen of the USSR," said a middle-aged woman. "They deprived me of my citizenship, and now I must apply to become one! I just won't do it."

Separate, but together

Tatjana Zdanoka is Latvia's only Russian member of the European Parliament and uses her position to publicise the position of the Russian minority.

She says her mother, who has lived in Latvia for 60 years and worked here for 45 years as a schoolteacher, has no right to vote.

"She is 83 and has bad eyes. Of course she's not capable of taking any kind of exam."

Facts about Latvia Latvia was independent from 1918 to 1939 After World War II it was a part of the USSR It regained independence in 1991 700,000 Soviet-time migrants and their children became non-citizens By the time Latvia joined the EU in 2004, this figure had dropped to around 450,000 Latvia's total population is 2,3m (including non-citizens)

Igor Vatolin, a journalist on the newspaper Chas and a Russian rights activist, said the Latvian Popular Front, which led the fight for independence at the end of the 1980s, promised citizenship to everyone living in the republic.

"But they reneged on that - even though thousands of Russians voted with them in favour of independence in the referendum of 1991," he said.

There is no ethnic strife in the streets of Latvia. The two peoples live peacefully together. But politicians on both sides, and in Russia itself, stir things up.

Moscow rarely misses a chance to complain at international meetings of Latvia's "human rights abuses", while the head of the Latvian parliament's foreign affairs committee, Aleksandrs Kirsteins, has described the non-citizens as "civilian occupiers".

He called for an agreement with the Russian government under which all the unwanted foreigners would be herded on to trains and shipped back to their "ethnic homeland" - with a brass band playing on the platform to see them off.

Latvia's two communities deserve credit for by and large ignoring such provocative statements. Despite the bitterness and insecurity on both sides, they have succeeded in forging a peaceful co-existence - somewhat separate, but together.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: aliens; bigotry; latvia; racism; russia; sameoldsameold
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To: Modernman
Like I said, I wonder when Brave Tailgunner will arrive in New Jersey to inform the Russian communities there to get out. Or maybe he'd just prefer Brighton Beach as his target? He can get those Guinies in Brooklyn too.
121 posted on 03/29/2005 7:46:57 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Modernman

Some believe in loyalty to their nation's flag and not to "progressive" notions of "international" human rights. Some people think they have the right to force their racebaiting multicultralism/diversity and reverse racism on the whole rest of the world.


122 posted on 03/29/2005 7:47:36 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What group do you fall into?


123 posted on 03/29/2005 7:47:46 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Modernman

You are a slanderer.


124 posted on 03/29/2005 7:48:28 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: MadIvan

They were, you are right, to those who immigrated not to those who were born in the US. That's the issue here. These people were born there and are being denied their citizenship.


125 posted on 03/29/2005 7:48:42 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Who were holding the guns on your innocent Russians?

The multi-ethnic Red Army, which allowed the multi-ethnic Soviet government to treat Latvians, Russians, Georgians, Ukrainians and every other ethnic group as nothing more than pawns.

So if we were invaded and conquered by a foreign nation and they settled millions here, and then we regained our freedom, we'd have to grant citizenship to all them because it would only be fair and we are shaking in our boots that some bootlicking Soviet apologist commissar will call us racist?

If the USA was conquered and occupied for 50 or so years and the conquering nation forcefully moved people into the USA, I would be in favor of granting them citizenship once the conquering empire fell apart.

126 posted on 03/29/2005 7:48:46 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Modernman

That's because you are on the other side!


127 posted on 03/29/2005 7:49:57 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Some believe in loyalty to their nation's flag and not to "progressive" notions of "international" human rights.

What you deride as "international human rights", I consider to be the inalienable rights of man.

128 posted on 03/29/2005 7:50:11 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What side would that be?


129 posted on 03/29/2005 7:50:31 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: jb6

Fine. The Latvians should make a deal with Putin to give Russian passports and residency visas to those who don't want to be assimilated. However if they don't want to be part of the Latvian nation, then they should not expect to dictate how it is run.

Ivan


130 posted on 03/29/2005 7:50:40 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Some believe in loyalty to their nation's flag and not to "progressive" notions of "international" human rights. Some people think they have the right to force their racebaiting multicultralism/diversity and reverse racism on the whole rest of the world.

I love your moral courage as you ignore applying the same standard in America, which by your racial purity drives would affect all minorities born in America. I grew up in a neighborhood in Charlotte where the Grand Dragon of the Clan lived (till his daughter turned into a crack whore and they moved to Monroe or Concord, one of those). These "fine" gentlemen had your exact views.

131 posted on 03/29/2005 7:50:41 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You are a slanderer.

Technically, it would be libel. And truth is an absolute defense to the charge of libel.

132 posted on 03/29/2005 7:51:24 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: A. Pole
"In Poland before the WWIII war, many Jews, Ukrainians and Germans did not speak Polish."

So what ? Is this any excuse for Russians in Latvia ?

I understand that it is difficult to learn Latvian language, but it's not impossible - 2,3 hours a week for 3-4 years should be enough, besides these people live there, hear this language every day, so it should be easier for them. If they don't want to learn Latvian, they won't get citizenship - this fair for me. Most of these people don't want to learn Latvian probably because they still treat Latvia like a part of "empire".


"But I am sure if the situations were reversed you would be the first to condemn Russians."

Oh Oh...
133 posted on 03/29/2005 7:51:57 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: MadIvan

Why should those born in Latvia be denied citizenship by birth? Singling out one ethnic group or a series of ethnic groups for "special" discrimination is ok by you? Lets just stop splitting hair and see where you stand. Should Irish born in London be required to pass test to gain citizenship?


134 posted on 03/29/2005 7:52:35 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Modernman

You are a liar and a slanderer. If I am a racist then you are a Soviet apologist.


135 posted on 03/29/2005 7:53:09 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Modernman

Citizenship is not an inalienable right.


136 posted on 03/29/2005 7:54:23 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: A. Pole

"They should not have created Polish Kingdom in 1815 and instead have left Warsaw, Krakow, Poznan under German/Austrian rule (as it was done during the partitions)."

Good idea, especially in a case of Austria.


137 posted on 03/29/2005 7:54:51 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If I am a racist then you are a Soviet apologist

I guess you need to reread your posts from anyone else's point of view.

138 posted on 03/29/2005 7:58:09 AM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6
Everyone know you are a Soviet apologist and a race-baiter. You don't belong here. No one believes your lies.
139 posted on 03/29/2005 8:00:42 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You are a liar and a slanderer. If I am a racist then you are a Soviet apologist.

Again, technically speaking, you should be accusing me of libel, but we'll let that pass.

As for apologizing for the Soviets? Utter nonsense. My family escaped communism, so I understand much better than you that the Russians in Latvia were also victims of communism and should not be further punished by being denied citizenship.

140 posted on 03/29/2005 8:01:16 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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