I give you 5 minutes before your thread is hijacked by a liberal from DU.
Just a question...if Michael so so convinced of Terri not wanting to "live that way" why did he wait until '98 to ask to have the feeding tube removed?
There is no moral difference between withholding treatment, food or water which results in a persons death and shooting them or giving them a lethal injection. No moral difference at all.
To those who say, but it is a natural and beautiful thing, one can only say, For you.
When one withholds treatment, food or water, one is actively killing a human being. No more, no less.
The natural death process Terri Schiavo is being killed with is a horrible painful ordeal, lasting so far eight days. It is not painless, at least they are now giving her morphine. By the way, did anyone ask, "Why the need for morphine for a vegetable?" No, no one asked because they know the answer, she is brain damaged, but concious, aware, sentient, a live human being, not a vegetable. Her lawyer testifies she asked to live, but the judge said, "You should have asked three days ago." An "officer of the court" said she asked to live, the judge blew him off. Why, because she must die to maintain the system and feed the deatheaters. There is no justice in a legal system, except the odd mistake. Too bad Terri must die to satisfy the deatheaters and the blind judge.
Why is this going on? Because the legal system condemned her to death in absentia, a judge on a mission, a deatheater. No court will overturn his decision, it would adversely affect their god status.
We reap what we sew, more or less. Terri married outside her own belief system, she married a deatheater and is paying for her mistake with her life.
The President, the Congress and the Governor claim to see the Terri Schiavo case as wrong. It is not a right to die, but a right not to be murdered issue. Unfortunately, they are all powerless against an all powerful blind Circuit Court who rules to kill. Powerless or unable to act due to paralysis. If they are, in fact, powerless, we do not need them, do we? If they are unable to act due to paralysis, we do not need them, do we? A real man would act.
"Damn the torpedoes, Full speed ahead!" - Admiral David Glasgow Farragut
A man who knew what needed to be done and did it.
Victory goes to the one who acts, not watches and wrings their hands. All wringing ones hands results in is sore hands.
Congrats! You made it. ;)
Since 1995, Michael Schiavo has lived with a girlfriend, Jodi Centonze, with whom he has two children. 14 Michael remains legally married to Terri, as well as her guardian.
Mr. Schiavo is breaking Florida law.
From the Florida Statutes:
FS798.01 Living in open adultery.--Whoever lives in an open state of adultery shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Where either of the parties living in an open state of adultery is married, both parties so living shall be deemed to be guilty of the offense provided for in this section.
It was after the settlement that Michael first claimed that Terri had previously stated that she didnt want to be kept alive by artificial means a statement he never mentioned during the malpractice trial.As guardian, Michael Schiavo controls the $700,000-plus trust fund awarded for Terris care. As of fall of 2003, Michael Schiavos attorneys reported that the trust fund was down to $50,000, with more than $430,000 going to pay for court costs associated with her husbands legal battle to remove his wifes feeding tube. Meanwhile, Medicaid helps to pay Terris $5,000-a-month nursing costs at a hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida.
Load of BS. More like half the 'facts'.
This is most awesome - and so appreciated. Thank you.
You may be next..
The nations first court order for active euthanasia was issued on Feb 25.....and the Florida SC, US Appellate Court, and even the SCOTUS have blessed it. Worse yet, the US Congress, the Florida Legislature, and both Bush brothers have blessed it, too, unless one or the other of them grows balls in the next few days.
When the public realizes what has actually occurred, all hell will break loose. I look for it to begin as soon as Bush v Schiavo is cited in non-Schiavo suits in the future. As the media and talking heads realize how deliberately and methodically this was played out, the uproar will be tremendous.
One should always watch the magicians hands....not what he suckers you into watching.
ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that absent a stay from the appellate courts, the guardian, Michael Schiavo, shall cause the removal of nutrition and hydration, from the Ward, THERESA SCHIAVO, at 1:00 p.m. on Friday, March 18, 2005."
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/greer_doublespeak.html
It is court-ordered euthanasia, pure and simple....Schiavo's anxiousness to do it doesn't matter, it is a direct Court ORDER to Schiavo to do it.
Thanks for your post. I agree with you. I think that Terri is being murdered. This is my very first post on FreeRepublic. I have been so outraged that I decided to join this outstanding form.
The monster still has his $300,000.
BUMP
Ahhh.... Since this is all we've been hearing about for the last month; it is difficult that there is any new news. This topic has been sliced and diced to a the point of ad nauseum. Any new news on OJ, Amber, Kobe or Laci? My 60 gig hard-drive is full and have to burn another 40 CDs to keep up with breaking news.
ping
One of the disturbing things to me is that the Schindlers have had lousy lawyering from the git go.
They should have retained a top flight Constitutional lawyer like Alan Dershowitz or Davis Boise instead of a political idealogue .
NOT ADEQUATELY REPORTED BY THE MSM..... and not FULLY posted on FR, either. I'll fix it.
For enquiring minds that wanna know. Here is the MUST EXCERPT list.
What You Need to Know about Terri Schiavo
March 7, 2005
Terri Schiavo's fight for life has been widely publicized in the media but do you know the facts?Terri Schindler Schiavo is a 41-year old disabled Florida woman at the center of an on-going legal despite between her estranged husband, Michael, and her parents.
In 1990 at 26-years of age, Terri collapsed in her home when her heart temporarily stopped, cutting off oxygen to her brain and leaving her severely brain damaged.
Terri is not dying or terminally ill; she is not brain-dead or in a coma. She is an otherwise healthy mentally disabled woman. The diagnosis that she is in a vegetative state is disputed by many medical experts, including neurologists. Some neurologists believe its possible that Terri is in a minimally conscious state (MCS) a neurological diagnostic criteria first defined in 2002. 1 Researchers are beginning to test this criteria against that of persistent vegetative state (PVS) with other patients. 2
Terri breathes on her own without the aid of a ventilator. Her only dependency is on a feeding tube into her stomach for liquids and nourishment. 3 She swallows her own saliva, a fact that leads some experts in speech pathology to believe that with sufficient time and therapy, she could regain her ability to swallow fluids by mouth. 4 As recently as 1997, nursing staff who cared for Terri testified that she could swallow fluids and Jello-O, follow people with her eyes and even speak. 5
An attorney for Terris parents, Barbara Weller, has posted narratives on the Internet describing her recent visits with Terri. During these visits, Weller witnessed purposeful interaction between Terri, her parents and other visitors. 6
At the time of her collapse, Terri did not have a written advance medical directive. Since her disability, medical decisions have been made by her husband, Michael Schiavo.
Michael Schiavo won a medical malpractice case on Terri's behalf in 1992, pledging to use the money for Terris rehabilitation and care for the rest of her natural life. 7 The court awarded more than $1 million: $300,000 directly to Michael for his loss and additionally, more than $700,000 for Terris care. 8 Terris parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, claim that prior to the settlement a neurologist recommended progressive therapy for Terri and that Michael agreed to provide such therapy, only to deny it and confine Terri to a nursing home after receiving the jury award. 9
It was after the settlement that Michael first claimed that Terri had previously stated that she didnt want to be kept alive by artificial means a statement he never mentioned during the malpractice trial. 10
As guardian, Michael Schiavo controls the $700,000-plus trust fund awarded for Terris care. 11 As of fall of 2003, Michael Schiavos attorneys reported that the trust fund was down to $50,000, with more than $430,000 going to pay for court costs associated with her husbands legal battle to remove his wifes feeding tube. 12 Meanwhile, Medicaid helps to pay Terris $5,000-a-month nursing costs at a hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida. 13
Since 1995, Michael Schiavo has lived with a girlfriend, Jodi Centonze, with whom he has two children. 14 Michael remains legally married to Terri, as well as her guardian.
In 1998, Michael Schiavo petitioned the court to have Terris feeding tube removed.
Terris parents have offered to take care of Terri at their own expense, allowing Michael to keep all money remaining in the trust fund. To date, Michael Schiavo has refused, insisting that Terri die from dehydration.
Florida Sixth Judicial Circuit Judge George Greer has set Friday, March 18 at 1:00 p.m. EST as date and time certain to remove Terris feeding tube an act that will cause the painful death of an otherwise healthy disabled person whose body processes and benefits from the nutrients and fluids she receives daily.
TIMELINE: 15
On February 25, 1990, 26-year old Terri Schindler Schiavo collapsed in her home when her heart temporarily stopped, cutting off oxygen to her brain and leaving her severely brain injured.
In November 1992, her husband, Michael, won a medical malpractice lawsuit after claiming that doctors failed to diagnose the chemical imbalance that caused the heart attack. The court awarded approximately $1 million in damages with $300,000 to Michael for his loss and another $700,000 to Michael for Terris guardianship and care.
In July 1993, Terris parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, petition the court to have Michael removed as Terris guardian a request that is denied in August 2001.
In May 1998, Michael Schiavo petitions the court to have Terris feeding tube removed, claiming that Terri told him that she did not want life-sustaining intervention in the event of her incapacitation.
In February 2000, Florida Circuit Judge George W. Greer rules that the feeding tube can be removed.
After several court appeals, it is removed on April 24, 2001. Two days later, Florida Circuit Judge Frank Quesada orders doctors to reinsert Terris feeding tube.
In October, 2001, the Florida 2nd District Court of Appeals indefinitely delays the removal of Terris feeding tube pending the examination of Terri by five physicians: two selected by Michael, two by the Schindlers and one by the court. The two doctors selected by Terris parents tell the court that she can recover; the remaining three stated that she is in a vegetative state with no hope of recovery. The following month, Judge Greer again orders the feeding tube to be removed again. More court appeals follow.
On October 15, 2003, Terris feeding tube is removed for a second time.
October 20-21, 2003: the Florida State Legislature passed legislation (dubbed Terris Law) allowing Governor Jeb Bush to intervene, ordering the reinsertion of Terris feeding tube six days after it was removed.
May 6, 2004 January 24, 2005: Various courts, including the Florida Supreme Court, strike down Terris Law as unconstitutional; the U.S. Supreme Court refuses to hear the case.
March 2005: Members of the U.S. Congress and the Florida State Legislature introduce legislation to intervene on behalf of Terri and other medically vulnerable patients.
1 Affidavit of Neurologist Beatrice C. Engstrand, M.D., March 3, 2005; Affidavit of Neurologist Jacob Green, M.D., February 22, 2005; Affidavit of Neurologist Lawrence Huntoon, M.D., March 3, 2005. Affidavits may be accessed on-line at
2 J.T. Giacino, et al., The minimally conscious state: Definition and diagnostic criteria, Neurology, February 2002; 58: 349-353; Melanie Boly, et al., Auditory Processing in Severely Brain Injured Patients, Archives of Neurology, February 2004, 61:233-238.
3Abby Goodnough, Governor of Florida orders woman fed in right-to-die case, The New York Times, October 22, 2003.
4Affidavit of Speech Language Pathologist Sarah Green Mele, July 25, 2003; Affidavit of Carolyn Heron, M.D., March 3, 2005; Affidavit of Neurologist Beatrice C. Engstrand, M.D., March 3, 2005; Affidavit of Speech and Language Pathologist Jill Joyce, PhD, March 3, 2005. Some affidavits may be accessed on-line at
5Affidavits of Certified Nursing Assistant Heidi Law, September 1, 2003; Registered Nurse Carla Sauer Iyer, September 1, 2003.
6Narrative by Barbara Weller on visit with Terri December 24, 2004, accessed on March 1, 2005 at ; Narrative by Barbara Weller on visit with Terri February 24, 2005, accessed on February 25, 2005 at
7Vickie Chachere, Michael Schiavo says money, activists motivate in-laws, Associated Press, October 28, 2003.
8Patrick Kampert, Parents or husband: Who decides?; Courts to choose victor in battle over womans life, Chicago Tribune, October 12, 2003.
9Interview with Robert and Mary Schindler, Larry King Live, September 27, 2004.
10Kampert, Associated Press.
11Hugo Kugiya, Decision for Death; Florida womans feeding tube pulled after court okays action, Newsday, October 16, 2003.
12William R. Levesque, Schiavos husband says hell fight back, St. Petersburg Times, October 24, 2003; Chris Gray, Both sides in Schiavo fight point to control of money, Philadelphia Inquirer, October 29, 2003.
13Mary McFachlin, Schiavo case a growing legal, moral morass, Palm Beach Post, October 26, 2003; Levesque, St. Petersburg Times.
14Rich McKay and Maya Bell, How to deal with Terri Schiavos tragedy splits family, Orlando Sentinel, October 26, 2003; Warren Richey, Can state intervene in medical decisions? Christian Science Monitor, August 3, 2004.
15With assistance from Key Dates in the life of Terri Schiavo, Associated Press, January 24, 2005.