Schiavo Moves Closer to Death (Schindlers Attorney: She Has 'Passed the Point of No Return')

ITV of Britain ^ | 3.27.05 9:49 PM

[gopwinsin04]

The Schindlers attorney said that Mrs. Schiavo is declining rapidly and a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain.

He added, 'At this point, we would say that Terri has passed the point of no return.'

The case has been in and out of court for years and has gripped America.

It has seen the intervention of US President George W. Bush, the US Supreme Court and Florida's Governor Jeb Bush.

The Schindlers, practicing Roman Catholics, have attracted passionate support from an array of Christian conservatives, right to life, and anti abortion advocates, who have been holding vigils outside the hospice.

[avile]

"against her will"

if that were proven to be true this case would have made the radar. however it is hearsay against hearsay.

[avile]

"against her will"

if that were proven to be true this case would have made the radar. however it is hearsay against hearsay.

[winstonchurchill]

WC: Terri is not a CPR practice dummy who can be kicked hither and yon for the satisfaction of someone else's (strange) views of the 'importance' of her most truncated 'life'. She did not want this. That is, to coin a phrase, clear and convincing. Now, she has endured 15 years(!) of forced feeding and diapers against her will, the last 8 of which are directly attributable to others using our justice system to prolong her life against her will. Enough is enough. She gets to go Home now. Find another poster child for the political 'cause' of endless physical life.

A: if that were proven to be true this case would [not?] have made the radar. however it is hearsay against hearsay.

You make a typical layman's mistake about the reliability of 'hearsay.' It is often used under countless exceptions to the 'hearsay rule.' 'Hearsay' is a statement, other than one made by the declarant while testifying at the trial or hearing, offered in evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted. (FRE 801(c)) Generally, hearsay is not admissible. However, there are a number of exceptions where hearsay is admissible. Here are a few exceptions: dying declarations, excited utterances, res gestae or present sense expression, admissions and declarations against interest, and state of mind and physical condition. There are many others. Then many jurisdictions (including the federal rules) use a 'catch-all' or residual exception for the unavailability of a witness. Thus, the testimony of several witnesses recounting Terri's many expressions of her desire not to be kept alive artificially could be described as 'hearsay'. However, even if such recounting of Terri's out-of-court statements were deemed to be offered for the 'truth of the matter asserted', they would fall within either (i)the present sense exception, (ii) the state of mind exception, or (iii) in any event the residual (unavailability of the witness) exception.

This case 'made the radar,' because some politicians sought to stir a portion of their base for crass and cynical reasons. Sadly, those politicians were, in this instance, of my party.

[winstonchurchill]

WC: Do I understand you to now concede that removal of the feeding tube is not 'murder' under the heated definitions of the 'physical life at all costs' crowd?

XZ: Only in the sense that sometimes the taking of a feeding tube is appropriate.

Either we are making progress or your new-found 'friends' will now turn and eat you alive.

Pray tell, when are those "sometimes [that]the taking [out] of a feeding tube is appropriate"? When the victim -- er, possessor of the tube has previously expressed his wishes not to be so maintained?

Or when the moon is full and the planets are aligned? When?

[winstonchurchill]

Gee, you don't think the scumbag murderers would lie to us, do you?

Calm yourself and take your meds.

[ClancyJ]

Could be interpreted either way. No problem to me.

[The Red Zone]

They need the morphine to make it 'euphoric'

[The Red Zone]

Yes, the legal engineering of the ghoul death crowd was excellent.

However, it would take a grim jury indeed to sentence a suspected murderer to death with the same kind of "evidence".

[af_vet_1981]

Now wait just a sec - morphine? I thought that she would feel no pain because she had no capacity for it.

They lied to you.

Schiavo, Felos, Greer, a score of judges, and the fans of her execution have triumphed for a season.

[Lancey Howard]

???
Did you post to the wrong person or did you forget the (/six-year-old) at the end of your post?

[avile]

politicians by their nature often try to stir their base, however I feel this is more a bottom up than top down situation.

I admit that many terri supporters would be against starving her even if a living will were unearthed, but what really put this on the radar was the starvation(rightly or wrongly) and the publics perception that MS is a scumbag that(rightly or wrongly) may or may not have contributed to her situation .

If MS behaved exemplary there would not be all this blog traffic and pro-abortion types like myself and tom harkin and the black caucus would not have joined with the reps.

[Pajamajan]

HERE

[winstonchurchill]

I admit that many terri supporters would be against starving her even if a living will were unearthed,...

You see, that's why so many of us who are Christian and conservative and have living wills are fighting you so hard on this. We don't want you to try to overturn our wishes, as you have tried to overturn hers, and sentence us to nutritional slurry and diapers when we want to be released in death.

Much of the nonsense here has been supposedly aimed at the fact-finding process as to Terri's wishes. But you now admit, what I have long suspected, that you won't be satisfied until our nursing homes are filled to overflowing with breathing cadavers being pumped with slurry and having their diapers changed, notwithstanding their carefully worded living wills to the contrary, because their views don't match yours.

[avile]

But you now admit, what I have long suspected, that you won't be satisfied until our nursing homes are filled to overflowing with breathing cadavers being pumped with slurry and having their diapers changed, notwithstanding their carefully worded living wills to the contrary, because their views don't match yours.

where did i admit any of this you jerk? what i said is that MS's disreputable behavior made many people who normally would not have been interested in the case pay attention.

I believe in living wills and DNR's , but I draw the line when disreputable people with secondary gain find it convenient to get rid of undesirables be it handicapped children ,parents or spouses.
you may be scared that some right to life zaelots (and if you had read muy previous post you would have realized i am proabortion) will keep you alive with tubes, but I am more afraid of libs killing alzheimer patients or parkinsons patients or downs patients. you can get tax cuts with the money saved. I am even more afraid that some people can believe someone who sues for non-diagnosed bulimia (when he by living with her should have known) pockets the money lives in a bigamous relationship with someone else and then suddenly after he has the money remembers her wishes - oh yes his brother also suddenly remembered.

[Collier]

I'm not familiar with Randall Terry.

And I can't bear to watch TV with all the anti Terri sentiment and lies they tell.

But I would like to know what Randall Terry said, if you know.

Thanks.

[Collier]

Sorry for your loss.

That's what they said to me when my mother died.

She was 82. The last 2 years she had congestive heart failure and was homebound. I took care of her, but she was just hoping she would go, and die in her sleep.

At the end, when I had to bring her to the hospital, I signed a DNR at her request and the doctor's suggestion. She was there for 4 days.

Well, the DNR paperwork didn't get to the floor/nurse's station, so when she had a massive heart attack 4 days later, they resuscitated her, against her wishes.

It happened at 4AM, but the doctor didn't call me until 8AM. My brother, who is a doctor, but lives out of state, told me to go right to the hospital and have them remove the tube.

It took about 5 hours, because a pulmonary doctor had to be called in.

Anyway, I asked the doctor if my mother was going to be in pain or gasping for breath when they pulled the tube and he said "no, we'll give her morphine."

[Aliska]

The first thing we need to do is get rid of the pvs business. It got slipped in somewhere, and dehumanizes the person. Once being dehumanized, it makes it easier to manipulate people and the powers that be.

I don't suppose we can do that, but I am going to start calling it something else.

[Deb]

Incredible.

[ArmyTeach]

73 Why would any want to insinuate that Terri is the same as Jesus - just not so at all.

Not that she is Jesus, but that Jesus has been with her every moment and she is with him now...and it's a comforting and inspiring picture.

[Tax Government]

Great picture of Terri and Jesus.