Posted on 03/27/2005 2:35:40 PM PST by gopwinsin04
The Schindlers attorney said that Mrs. Schiavo is declining rapidly and a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain.
He added, 'At this point, we would say that Terri has passed the point of no return.'
The case has been in and out of court for years and has gripped America.
It has seen the intervention of US President George W. Bush, the US Supreme Court and Florida's Governor Jeb Bush.
The Schindlers, practicing Roman Catholics, have attracted passionate support from an array of Christian conservatives, right to life, and anti abortion advocates, who have been holding vigils outside the hospice.
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Yes, I am sure that the Schindler's lawyers should have pushed for the de novo review in Federal Court this past week. I am also sure that they didn't.
That's not to say it would have worked - I think it would have won their side some time. If they tried it and the Fed Court didn't grant it, I would have a problem with that judge.
In any case, we won't find out. The Schindler lawyers didn't understand what a de novo review is.
I fall on the other side of the argument for culpability. I hold that it is more the smart guys (judges) fault than the dumb guys (Schindler's lawers) fault. That is always the case. The law is supposed to try to even the field in the name of justice. It failed miserably in this case, and the failure in indefensible.
The system is designed in layers, where the client is a dumb shit, the lawyer is the middle man, and the judge is all powerful. You point, blame the lawer, is like the lawer asserting blame the client. We are supposed to look out for the underlying interests, form be damned.
Anyway, nice to chat with you, and glad to know that you are not defending this travesty.
That is not responsive. My question was whether or not you are sure they would have prevailed.
ROTFLOL!! Just what is it you want me to get ..??
"I'll believe it when I see it."
That's the problem with the world - but faith believes without seeing.
I have unkind words.
We have been betrayed.
This is murder.
There won't be a wrongful death suit because the death occured under color of law with a court order. It's not like the OJ case where a different standard of proof is involved. The only way a wrongful death case could be pursued imho, is if there were proof he caused the original problem.
Shouldn't be a surprise at all. But it was to me too. The lesson? Follow "your own heart." I take my lead from Christ and the Bible. He is risen! Hallelujah!!
I have faith in God. It is the arbiters of government that I have completely lost faith in.
Taken orally, the effects are felt more gradually. Physical effects include nausea, vomiting, insensitivity to pain, contraction of the pupils, increased urination, constipation, sweating, itchy skin, and slowed breathing.
With very large doses the pupils contract to pinpoints, the skin is cold, moist and bluish, and breathing may slow to a complete stop resulting in death
I think this is why morphine has been given. Not out of a kind heart to ease her suffering, but to hasten Terris death.
Gee, you don't think the scumbag murderers would lie to us, do you?
It is a little comfort for those of us that know she can feel, but this will ease her suffering. I am glad the are giving her the morphine.
It is responsive - I can't say that they would have prevailed on the merits with a full de novo review.
But I know that their chances of prevailing on the merits would have been better if they pushed and got the de novo review, rather than treating their trip to Federal Court as an appeal of the State Court.
Yep. Murderers and cowardly enablers. I am sick to my stomach.
"I have unkind words.
We have been betrayed.
This is murder."
I agree completely.
Try asking the enablers, "If this isn't murder, then what is it?", and their tortured, stammering, excuse-laden responses will make you even sicker.
I wonder if the morphine is being administered to hasten her death, as she and Michael are under Congressional subpoena to appear before Congress tomorrow, Monday, March 28,2005. If she dies prior to this she cannot be brought to Washington. Michael would probably get a pass as he will be needed to fire up the oven for cremation.
The severe restraints that finally permitted communion to be served to the poor woman are evidence that someone has ordered that she not be allowed even to try to eat and drink naturally.
To deprive a person of a food tube is one thing; to deprive them of even the possibility of a natural death is murder.
Well .. you have your faith in the right place.
GOD is able to do exceeding, abundantly above anything we could ask or think, infinitely beyond our highest hopes and dreams.
Do I understand you to now concede that removal of the feeding tube is not 'murder' under the heated definitions of the 'physical life at all costs' crowd?
Terri is not a CPR practice dummy who can be kicked hither and yon for the satisfaction of someone else's (strange) views of the 'importance' of her most truncated 'life'. She did not want this. That is, to coin a phrase, clear and convincing. Now, she has endured 15 years(!) of forced feeding and diapers against her will, the last 8 of which are directly attributable to others using our justice system to prolong her life against her will. Enough is enough. She gets to go Home now. Find another poster child for the political 'cause' of endless physical life.
Only in the sense that sometimes the taking of a feeding tube is appropriate.
In this case, it is not appropriate because there's reason to discredit the impartiality of the spouse and there's reason to discredit the accuracy of the report that Terri Schiavo would have wanted such a thing.
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