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Playing God [Robert Schindler Yanks Plug on Own Mother]
Guardian Unlimited (The Guardian Online) ^ | Tuesday November 4, 2003 | Suzanne Goldenberg

Posted on 03/27/2005 1:30:00 PM PST by Gondring

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To: Walkin Man
You spittled out: "Terri has been dead for 15 years."

Bwahahahaha, nice try agitprop, your hero Michael Schiavo says the same thing.

But it's a funny thing about those videos taken two or three years after her collapse, where, sitting in a wheelcahir, she's swallowing on her own, following Michael's pointing toward things out on the lake and the sworn testimony of nurses during that therapy giving time that Terri could follow commands to assist getting on a bedpan. Those videos expose you for the fool or agitprop you are, either voicing as parrot for the Michael Schiavo 'kill Terri' ghouls or voicing as his agitprop.

Welcome to the growing crowd of dead souls that lickspittle about on FR of late exposing their ghoulish selves in grostesque posturing.

201 posted on 03/27/2005 8:14:03 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
...we who believe in LIFE...

I believe in life, too...just not at the expense of rights.

202 posted on 03/27/2005 10:55:56 PM PST by Gondring (You don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: 1 spark

Do you really think a man should sell custody of his wife? What kind of sick thoughts do you have?!?


203 posted on 03/27/2005 11:03:53 PM PST by Gondring (You don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: sinkspur
"Sustenance and hydration" are classified as medical treatments, according to Florida law.

I guess that leaves babies in the lurch. (No bottle, no teat, 'cause that's sustenance and hydration..)

More poorly written law.

204 posted on 03/27/2005 11:10:54 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (Repeal the NFA of '34! the GCA of '68! and the '86 ban!)
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To: Trust but Verify

Is your sister-in-law 79?


205 posted on 03/27/2005 11:49:22 PM PST by WBurgVACon
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To: sinkspur

Where did you get the idea that sustenance and hydration are classified as medical treatments, according to Florida law? Nowhere in Florida Law does it state that food and water are medical treatments. However, food and water are required by law. Therapy is required by law. The laws which are actually on the books have been ignored or lied about.


206 posted on 03/28/2005 1:39:31 AM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Gondring

Terri Schiavo has the right to die, whether she wants to or not. There is no Constitutional Right To Life. That's just a fantasy invented by right wing religious zealots. Now everybody bring your sacrificial Christian into the pentagram, so we can begin the holy sacrifice to Satan. /sarcasm


207 posted on 03/28/2005 1:46:45 AM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Gondring
Do you really think a man should sell custody of his wife? What kind of sick thoughts do you have?!?

DUH! Ever heard of connecting the dots?

Point is, it's really not about the money, is it?

And...it's really not about "honoring" wishes or contracts, is it?

Gee...i wonder what it could be!

208 posted on 03/28/2005 5:56:21 AM PST by 1 spark (made for TV...."The Perfect Crime")
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To: KDD
That is referring to inserting a tube AGAINST the patient's will. It does not apply here.

If Terri had specified herself in writing that she didn't want a feeding tube, the entire situation would be different......but she didn't.

I repeat. Otherwise healthy people sometimes require feeding tubes. It is different from a ventilator which is keeping a person artificially alive, or a cardiac machine that keeps an otherwise dead person's heart pumping.

There is evidence that Terri could eat by mouth if she had been properly cared for, since several nurses have sworn affidavits saying that they fed her by mouth.

209 posted on 03/28/2005 6:51:43 AM PST by ohioWfan (Those of us who were created are brighter than those who evolved think we are...)
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To: Gondring; cpforlife.org; Coleus; Mr. Silverback; Romulus; kristinn; Lexinom; Accipiter; hocndoc; ...
Your posts reveal in graphic measure that you believe in life as you will define the quality of same sufficient to make that LIFE worthy for protection in your worldview. You've made it clear that you do not deem a severely disabled woman's life of high enough quality that you would protect her ... and she is not brain dead, nor in a PVS, albeit she IS severely disabled and in desperate need of rehabilitation therapy, therapy she was receiving and improving through (as clearly evidenced in the videos made two or three years after her collapse) prior to the lawsuit monies being awarded, whereupon her then husband stopped cold ALL therapy because he, like you, deemed her unable to be completely rehabilitate and therefore not worthy of continued care. But that was a nice try at obfuscation you've tried.
210 posted on 03/28/2005 8:28:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Gondring
Hey there Gondring. Rush was giving your point of view on his radio show today...........saying almost the same words you've said in your arguments.

Only, you know what?

He was talking about the liberal point of view!

You must be SO proud!

211 posted on 03/28/2005 12:41:15 PM PST by ohioWfan (Those of us who were created are brighter than those who evolved think we are...)
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To: MHGinTN
You've made it clear that you do not deem a severely disabled woman's life of high enough quality that you would protect her ...

On the contrary, my FRiend.

I believe like many disabled persons, that Mrs. Schiavo's plight is an excellent highlight of the fear many people have--that nobody will respect their right to die. Many disabled persons have trouble enough getting their preferences met as it is, let alone when they are unable to speak for themselves.

I stand strongly in support of Mrs. Schiavo...realizing that Life and Liberty are co-equal rights, and there's no way a Right to Life should be used to take away a person's Right to Liberty...including the right to choose end of life care.

Since Mrs. Schiavo didn't seem to leave anything in writing, we must use our tool for solving such unknowns, and rely on the law that supports the sanctity of marriage--where a spouse can give the best judgement on what would be wanted.

Those who would step in have thrown personal responsibility, sanctity of marriage, rule of law, and compassion out the window. I don't want a society where the disabled's rights are ignored, all for some zealous "Life At All Costs" philosophy.

212 posted on 03/29/2005 10:00:55 PM PST by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: ohioWfan; Howlin; Hildy; Long Cut; Peach; BerthaDee
Hey there Gondring. Rush was giving your point of view on his radio show today...[...]He was talking about the liberal point of view!

Yes, I heard today on Rush that the great Conservative Icon Jesse Jackson is against me. You and Jesse Jackson, what a great team.

I'm just stuck out here with the Constitution. Boo-Hoo...

Note to ohioWfan... if your petard is resting at your own feet, don't light the fuse.

213 posted on 03/29/2005 10:26:35 PM PST by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: cripplecreek

Statement is pure hyperbole and trying to make a point that turns logic on it's ear.

The truth is most newborns are completely normal and breathe on their own just fine.

I used to work new born nursery. We had to medivac a baby out for critical care about once a month. And the ones that needed critical care were overwhelmingly pre-term.


214 posted on 03/30/2005 7:45:26 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Never let your life be determined by the prejudice of a Physician.)
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To: L.N. Smithee

"There is no parallel in the cases of Terri and her grandmother, whose kidneys failed (you need at least one), who could not breathe on her own, and who apparently could NOT -- in answer to Robert Schindler's inquiry to her doctor -- "come out of this thing."

I believe there is a parallel in the cases. It may not be as black and white, but surely they are comparable. Terri is in a PVT (or her brain no longer functions) , just as the kidneys failed. Terri needs nutrition through a tube and the Mother needed air through a tube. Now, having to be fed or given nutrition through a tube is not normally viewed as a medical procedure, however, when you are in a PVT it is considered medical treatment.


215 posted on 03/30/2005 7:46:24 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: Calvinist_and_Hobbs

Notice how there is always nuance on the left, so many things to take into consideration except when it suits them.


216 posted on 03/30/2005 7:47:05 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Never let your life be determined by the prejudice of a Physician.)
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To: Gondring

Uneasy would be an understatement


217 posted on 03/30/2005 7:48:04 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: mcg1969

Actually pulling the respirator only changed the time of her death not the fact that she died.

She would have died from renal failure in 3-4 days , if she stayed on the ventilator.


218 posted on 03/30/2005 7:50:16 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Never let your life be determined by the prejudice of a Physician.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

"I used to work new born nursery. We had to medivac a baby out for critical care about once a month. And the ones that needed critical care were overwhelmingly pre-term."


How many of those premature babies were simply allowed to die?


219 posted on 03/30/2005 7:50:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: ohioWfan

"One......healthy young woman, on feeding tube only"

What is healthy about someone in a PVS.


220 posted on 03/30/2005 8:03:22 AM PST by DollarCoins
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