Posted on 03/27/2005 1:30:00 PM PST by Gondring
wholesale obfuscation alert.
Exactly.
Greer ruled within the law as to life support and guardianship in the State of Florida.
If you don't like the law, change it.
"Greer ruled within the law as to life support and guardianship in the State of Florida.
If you don't like the law, change it."
Nice "within" but not REQUIRED. He had the opportunity to do the RIGHT thing but yes he's covered because he stayed within the "LAW".
Terri was NOT IN A COMA...
Big LIE ..thanks Dr. Goebels
I don't remember any talk of family members opposing it. Joe's name was on the lawsuit because he was her legal guardian by default.
"I haven't read much on that case- but wasn't her father only opposed by the state?"
This is going back a ways, but the State of Missouri Attourney General was the chief opposition. There may have been other factions involved, but the legal portion of it was between Joe and the State. From there it proceeded through the Federal system to the Supreme.
Why not change the law so it says that parents have more say than spouses in marital affairs?
Also, there was no hearsay in this. Another propaganda point. Spouses often "stand to gain from [a spouse's] death"...shall we just treat them all like they're criminals, in absence of charges or conviction?
What this underlines is the importance of both filing your wishes, as well as respecting the wishes of others, so you can know yours will be respected.
I don't know. Please post your sources about the credibility of these 4 nurses (who filed legal affidavits subjecting them to perjury charges). Which of them was charged with perjury?
You might check out the Biersack ruling on 12/06/04 in Ohio. The appellate court said that Ohio law doesn't require evidence{written} of specific focus on food and fluids, and that witness testimony was sufficient. Mrs. Biersack had no living will and it was only the testimony of her family that would allow the feeding tube to be removed. The court did say it would still require 2 doctors to agree on this though and didn't find that in this case. Interpretation of the law is an amazing thing, huh?
Suddenly one life is of less value than the other one so its OK to pull the plug on the old lady, is that it???
Is this official pro-life policy????
Maybe Dr Kennedy, Pat Robinson, Dr Dobson, the Pope, Rush, Hannity, Savage, etc would like to explain which lives are worth saving and which lives should have the plug pulled cause I'm really confused now!
One......healthy young woman, on feeding tube only, NOT life support. The other, old, terminally ill woman ON LIFE SUPPORT.
You have the gall to call someone in a PVS for 15 YEARS a "healthy young woman"?????? What planet are you from anyway???
If you wish to use "personal knowledge of her" as a gauge, no one has more of that than her own parents. Next!
Note...it's quite clear that Mrs. Schiavo is not going to "get better"...
She will never be a normally functioning human being, but some people believe that she can progress from where she is now. Terri is not the first nor will she be the last person doomed by "experts," who are oftentimes embarrassed when patients survive and/or recover.
Note...it's quite clear that Mrs. Schiavo could in no way communicate her displeasure at being force-fed.
Since you are accepting the premise of Carla Iyer's sworn affidavit that hospice staffers actually did feed her orally with no problem, you are bound to accept the further testimony that Terri did not show any displeasure at being given Jello through her mouth, and that after being alone in her room with her HINO, she showed signs of distress and often cried. Next!
Note...it's clear that many courts have ruled as to her preference.
A "preference" that only came to light after her HINO won $1.2 mil in a malpractice suit for the purpose of improving her condition. Why wasn't her "preference" discussed with anyone else up until that point? Besides, if you are going to suggest that she couldn't register displeasure with being fed orally, I can just as well suggest that she can't register disapproval of being starved to death.
Note...it was Mr. Schindler who initially said that he'd have Mrs. Schiavo's arms and legs amputated and have her cut open, all to keep her body going--even if she didn't want it!
I have heard this spouting from the mouths of the HINO and his ghoulish lawyer (who apparently thinks starving chicks are hot), but I would prefer to read the specific statements in context. I don't trust the word of the HINO, much less his highly-paid liar...I mean, lawyer.
So I think it's very relevant.
As opposed to my reply, which compared Terri's grandmother's situation to hers, you have not addressed the canyonesque differences between Mother Schindler's fatal illness and Terri's debilitating condition. It's clear why you haven't; you wouldn't be able to respond at all.
From what I've read on here, Mrs. Schiavo was like the Second Coming of Christ.
You're a liar. Link a post that says that. I dare you.
Although I think ALL people should have their rights respected, when it's a saint like Mrs. Schiavo, that must be tough.
Your smarminess and intellectual dishonesty betray your words.
deports Link at post 86 At that time, under Florida Statutes, a feeding tube was not considered artificial life support. In April, 1999, House Bill 2131 was introduced in the Florida House by the Elder Affairs and Long Term Care Committee.
Gus Bilikaris was a member of that committee - and a member of the board of directors at Hospice of Florida Suncoast with Felos---and a campaign contributor to George W. Greer. On Oct. 1, 1999, the legal definition of life prolonging procedures was amended under Florida law to add “including artificially provided sustenance and hydration which sustains, restores or supplants a spontaneous vital function.
Four months later, the Schiavo/Felos petition to remove the gastric feeding tube of Terri Schiavo went to trial without jury----to be solely decided by Judge Greer.
In any case, my husband and I will be working on our living wills (which we should have had long ago).........just to be specific, and to make it clear what we want.
Why did the state legislators vote for it and why did Gov Bush sign it?
That's what I thought - felt like being in the twilight zone the past few days and where was FR? There's always difference on something here - which is good because we are not sheeple. But the vehemence against the Bushes has reached a new low.
My prayer was that Michael Sciavo divorce Terri so that those who wanted to take care of her could. But he didn't.
I don't join with the hysterics, like Randall Terry and Patrick Mahoney, who advocate breaking down the doors and confronting the Pinellas Park police department with guns blazing.
If that's what you want, then why not get your hiney down there instead of jockeying behind a keybard?
Tom Delay really got under your skin, worried about your own personal insurance premiums.
What a stupid remark! I don't even know what it means.
Now they've got Larry Klayman and Jesse Jackson too.
Where did he get the authority to rule against her being given anything by mouth?
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