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QUESTIONS FOR MICHAEL ERIC DYSON Bill Cosby's Not Funny
NY Times ^ | March 27, 2005 | DEBORAH SOLOMON

Posted on 03/27/2005 8:16:08 AM PST by ken21

QUESTIONS FOR MICHAEL ERIC DYSON Bill Cosby's Not Funny Interview by DEBORAH SOLOMON

Published: March 27, 2005

Q Your new book is a rhetorical screed against Bill Cosby, and the title alone is not exactly subtle: ''Is Bill Cosby Right? Or Has the Black Middle Class Lost Its Mind?''

When a comedian throws a pie in the face of a powerful person, it's funny. When he throws a pie in the face of a homeless mother with three kids, that's not very funny.

You're referring to Cosby's recent harangue about lower-income black people, whom he faults for neglecting their children, wasting money on expensive sneakers and glamorizing ghetto culture.

It's his Blame-the-Poor Tour. He should pick on someone in his own class. If he had come out swinging at Condi Rice or Colin Powell, they could defend themselves. But he's beating up on poor black people, the most vulnerable people in this nation. And why jump on them?

On the other hand, many of us feel that his comments represent an admirable attempt at self-criticism and apply not only to blacks but also to whites in a consumer culture that has run amok.

Here's the irony: Mr. Cosby has been a supreme pitchman for American corporate capitalism for nearly 40 years. Had he come along now, he himself might have been promoting some gym shoes.

I actually found your book alarmingly unbalanced. How can you write 200-plus pages on Bill Cosby without detailing the millions of dollars he has donated to colleges and other good causes?

I think I mention his $20 million gift to Spelman College. It's a well-known fact. There's no need to repeat it.

But he has given to so many other black causes.

There's a dark underside to philanthropy. People who give a bunch of money are deferred to, even when they are wrong. The emperor cannot be shown to have no clothes.

You, yourself, as a professor at the University of Pennsylvania, know that Cosby's following is hardly based on his wealth. Why do you think the black middle class has been so moved by his call for individual responsibility?

Of course, taken in one sense, a lot of what he said we can agree with. None of us want our children to be murderers or thieves. But Cosby never acknowledges that most poor blacks don't have a choice about these things.

So, then, how much do you think individual will counts for our success or failure in life?

I don't believe in that kind of American John Wayne individualism where people pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Someone changed your diapers. And if that's the case, you ain't self-made.

You seem to be of the Hillary Clinton ''it takes a village'' school of thinking.

Yes. But Hillary borrowed that from black people! In fact, it's an African proverb. And my ambition didn't grow out of nowhere. It was planted in me by a community that nurtured me.

Can you tell us something about that community?

I'm 46. I grew up in Detroit. I was a teen father. I lived on welfare for three years. I have a brother serving life in prison, though I believe he's innocent. He's in for second-degree murder.

Why do you think you were able to succeed when your brother could not?

My talent was more easily identifiable.

Which talent is that?

My talent for oratory, for running my mouth.

In light of that, might you arrange to debate Cosby publicly in the near future?

He doesn't do that. And that, to me, is part of the problem.

Have you ever met him?

No. I talked to him one time on the phone, and it was not a hateful conversation.

Will you send him a copy of your book and inscribe it affectionately?

Sure. As our friends in the Cosa Nostra say: This is business. It's not personal.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: billcosby; blacks; cosby; dyson
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To: JoeSixPack1

that's the victim mentality that the u.s. public schools and media teach young black people.


41 posted on 03/27/2005 2:25:29 PM PST by ken21 ( if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: ken21
I remember those incidents too. It's a shame her son was killed, but apparently she expected Ms. Bruce to attain wild paroxysms of grief over the incident. Stuff happens and it's not necessarily because of your color that it might happen to you.

But, money talks, and so Ms. Bruce unfortunately became a target in the gunsight of a mother who had no one to blame but fate and didn't want to accept that. The murderer was there and he just happened to kill her son rather than someone cosby didn't know or care about.

Stercus accidit.

42 posted on 03/27/2005 2:42:34 PM PST by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: kennedy6979

My question is: does he actually know what he's talking about, or is he performing what someone else wrote FOR him?

(paraphrase: does he have a brain or is he a bunch of 'talking points' without a clue?)


44 posted on 03/27/2005 4:37:57 PM PST by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: ken21

I'd be much more interested to know what Freeman Dyson would think. :D

/n3rd


46 posted on 03/27/2005 5:41:11 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII

Someone changed dyson's diapers?


47 posted on 03/27/2005 5:48:16 PM PST by ken21 ( if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: ken21

Is he in bad shape? I didn't know. : (


48 posted on 03/27/2005 5:49:50 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII

he used that expression above, and i borrowed it!


49 posted on 03/27/2005 5:51:39 PM PST by ken21 ( if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: solitas
Is it true that cosby has never publicly debated? Why? Do you suppose that they'd set up a fair debate? Can you imagine Cosby debating Cornell West who spews barbrastreisand in metric tonnes per minute? It would be ghastly.
50 posted on 03/28/2005 8:33:25 AM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: solitas
Barbrastreisand! You think he'd be given a fair shot? Where, besides a handful of colleges, is debate practiced here in the US?
See my #50.
A debate is a silly idea.
51 posted on 03/28/2005 8:37:02 AM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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