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No compelling reason to kill Terri Schiavo
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | March 27,2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/27/2005 2:37:03 AM PST by mal

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To: beyond the sea
I'd like to starve George Felos for two weeks and let him still tell me its humane. Unlike Judge Greer, I'd be arrested and charged with murder because I don't wear a black robe.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
41 posted on 03/27/2005 5:03:35 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Stay well, stay safe, stay armed!


42 posted on 03/27/2005 5:03:56 AM PST by Tax-chick ("I have been half in love with easeful Death ... Now more than ever seems it rich to die.")
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To: wiggen
Its arguable tube feeding is artificial nutrition. With holding food and water from a helpless person who can swallow goes against the ethical teaching of every religion. The cannibals at least quickly put their victims to death. We make ours go through a slow and agonizing death. No, I don't think we're more civilized than the savages now.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
43 posted on 03/27/2005 5:06:23 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: pieces of time
Yes, a society obssessed with the here and now has very little regard for the value of life - or a healthy respect for eternity.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
44 posted on 03/27/2005 5:08:12 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: eeriegeno
Good question. Its hard to believe but any one else doing that to Terri would be charged with murder. Yet Judge Greer is not only above man's law, he's apparently above God's law as well. Absolute power corrupts and corrupts absolutely and nowhere more so than in the hands of the Men In Black who sit in our nation's courtrooms.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
45 posted on 03/27/2005 5:11:20 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: mal

Excellent article.


46 posted on 03/27/2005 5:14:51 AM PST by N. Beaujon (I)
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To: MisterRepublican
I think the "living wills" thing is ridiculous. Who's to say that some right-to-die lawyer gets a right-to-die judge to determine that you really didn't mean it

It is usually the case that a critically ill person, who remains able to speak, will revoke the "advance directive" they made while healthy.

Not wanting to live with a machine when your mortality is inconceiveable is one thing.

When your lungs are full of serum and every breath feels like your last, things look different.

The next step down this disastrous path we are on is to make these so-called "living wills" binding, so the sick person cannot revoke them.

Then, the killing can start in earnest.

47 posted on 03/27/2005 5:18:26 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: FairOpinion
I personally do not care what condition she is in or will ever be in as long as the tube was already in and she is breathing on her own this is just plain murder!!!!!
48 posted on 03/27/2005 5:20:25 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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49 posted on 03/27/2005 5:21:18 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: wiggen

He doesn't want the feeding stopped, he wants her dead.

This was part of one of the innumerable transcripts floating around the forum this past week. A quote to the effect of: "the ruling of the court is that the husband is correct, therefore her wish would be to die, therefore she must die."

That's why the parents are strip searched, lest they bring an ice chip to their daughter. That's why two priests that I know of have been arrested trying to take her the Eucharist.

God save us all.


50 posted on 03/27/2005 5:22:28 AM PST by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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To: wiggen
I have one question on legality. Is it truly legal for a judge to order that Terri can't be fed by means other than the tube? Is that really a part of the law the Fla. legislature enacted? Seems to me that was the route to attack.Theres nobody in the world could stop me from putting a spoon to my childs mouth.

It seems to me that the Fla. judiciary decided that Terri was Michael Schiavo's chattle. At that point, no one had a right to go feed his livestock. That is what has been so shocking to me. Where was NOW or any of the other animal and civil rights groups when the court would not even allow feeding by normal means? We treat animals with far more dignity, and take them away from abusive owners.

51 posted on 03/27/2005 5:24:33 AM PST by N. Beaujon (I)
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To: Tax-chick

Actually what it is, is that we have a God given ability to adjust to most disabilities. I think that you are right that most people are so self-centered and vain that the very thought of not being like everyone else makes them think that they had rather be dead, but then when something bad happens they change their minds. Better be careful in what you say that you would do in any given circumstance until you are there.


52 posted on 03/27/2005 5:34:45 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: All
As to arguments about ''Congressional overreaching'' and ''states' rights,'' which is more likely? That Congress will use this precedent to pass bills keeping you -- yes, you, Joe Schmoe of 37 Elm Street -- alive till your 118th birthday. Or that the various third parties who intrude between patient and doctor in the American system -- next of kin, HMOs, insurers -- will see the Schiavo case as an important benchmark in what's already a drift toward a culture of convenience euthanasia. Here's a thought: Where do you go to get a living-will kit saying that in the event of a hideous accident I don't want to be put to death by a Florida judge or the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals? And, if you had such a living will, would any U.S. court recognize it?

I don't care what the pro-Death crowd argues, everything they throw back stating she should die is easily refuted in multible ways. Steyn refutes the state rights crowd here in yet another way not cited before. That it is far more likely the courts and medical system will use this to justify putting others to death, than it it the Congress would ever preside over thousands of cases.

And he makes the point about living wills I've made. If the Court can decide if you die, they can decide to invalidate your living will. This is known as Judicial Tyranny. I hope those of you that supported her being killed fully realize what you've brought down in terms of precedent, because I won't feel sympathy years from now when you complain about the end result.

53 posted on 03/27/2005 5:35:27 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Restorer

And having a second legally recognize wife he has legal standing because of?


54 posted on 03/27/2005 5:40:56 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: expatguy; holdonnow
Good observations, expat. The "blame America" crowd has been handed a huge stick to beat us with; as if abortion on demand and the corrupted entertainment industry were not enough.

The key is going to be, how do we react and what happens off this? After she dies, does it just receded into the background buzz, becoming just one more "issue" or can we keep it on the front burner?

Most importantly, nay vital is reining in the judiciary. Plug here for Mark Levin's "Men in Black - How the Supreme Court is Destroying America." When I first heard of this book, I thought I would give it a miss; I thought I knew what I needed to know. But, the Terri situation convinced me that I needed to know the details and Mark lays it out.

Truly a must read.

55 posted on 03/27/2005 5:45:45 AM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Restorer
I agree with you. Mark Steyn is probably my favorite columnist but this time, although he makes his points well, I disagree with him.

End-of-life decisions are tough in the best circumstances. Inserting politicians into them will not make them easier or better. My fear is not that I will be kept alive until I'm 118 as Mr Steyn states, it's that the government will take this opportunity to insert itself into what is a very private decision.

My preference would have been for the Schindlers to take over as Terri's guardians but that didn't happen.

56 posted on 03/27/2005 5:45:57 AM PST by Randjuke
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To: Randjuke; holdonnow
My fear is not that I will be kept alive until I'm 118 as Mr Steyn states, it's that the government will take this opportunity to insert itself into what is a very private decision.

Wake up! That is SOP - Read Levin's book - Start with Chapter 4 - "Death by Privacy. "

Using "emanations from penumbras" the SC has determined that all areas of life are open for their and their fellow judges activity and control. That horse is already out pf the barn.

57 posted on 03/27/2005 5:53:33 AM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Restorer
The court made a finding of fact that Teri is PVS... However, once that finding has been made, under Florida law the rest follows perfectly naturally.

Yes, Greer made a big point out of establishing that this state puts Terri firmly on the "not human" side and therefore she has no legal right to live. I have never heard of any law that states that someone who cannot meet some arbitrary definition of "human being" cannot be allowed to live.

Greer did not follow the law, he set precedent.

Now that the precedent has been set, there is no reason to continue taking care of the thousands of other people whose levels of consciousness are similar to Terri's. Who's going to get Greer or another heartless judge to order their executions? Maybe a taxpayer's group, upset that we spend so many billions on their care every year?

58 posted on 03/27/2005 5:55:02 AM PST by exDemMom (Euthanasia, NO WAY. Youth in Asia, OF COURSE.)
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To: N. Beaujon
At that point, no one had a right to go feed his livestock.

Actually, Florida law makes it illegal to withhold food, water, or shelter from any animal. Someone recently quoted the full text of the statute on a different thread.

Terri would literally have more rights if she were a dog.

On the other hand, as someone else pointed out, Terri herself is an animal. So are we all. So isn't she covered by that statute?

The Florida constitution also requires the government to protect the lives of its citizens.

Greer's rulings are illegal. It looks like nobody can stop him. Jeb -- wake up!

59 posted on 03/27/2005 5:59:51 AM PST by The Other Harry
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To: dbehsman
she has no misery to be put out of. That being so, why not err in favor of the non-irreversible option?"

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why not indeed. The only answer is that the evil/liberal/socialist media lies about the whole story and created polls that were extremely fraudulent creating results that told the SPINELESS politicians to let her die (be killed). Politicians........... Republicans certainly included showd their spines of jelly!

60 posted on 03/27/2005 6:01:09 AM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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