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No compelling reason to kill Terri Schiavo
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | March 27,2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/27/2005 2:37:03 AM PST by mal

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To: mal
I'm neither a Floridian nor a lawyer, and, for all I know, it may be legal under Florida law for the state to order her to be starved to death. But it is still wrong.

Well there is at least one aspect of Greer's behavior that is clearly illegal, even under Florida law, and that is his refusal of the parent's request to give her food and water by mouth! The statute that Greer is using to remove Terri's feeding tube was ammended in 1999 to add to the legal definition of life prolonging procedures the words: "INCLUDING ARTIFICIALLY PROVIDED SUSTENENCE AND HYDRATION, WHICH SUSTAINS, RESTORES, OR SUPPLANTS A SPONTANEOUS VITAL FUNCTION".

The key words here are "ARTIFICIALLY PROVIDED." This part of the law authorizes Greer to remove the feeding tube but in no way authorizes him to stop Terri's parents or caregivers from giving her food and water NATURALLY by mouth! Based on the reports of the nurses who said she has swallowed jello and water and the doctor who examined her for the parents there is reason to believe she could sustain her life by taking food and water by mouth. Only Michael and Greer's opposition has prevented her being given this opportunity.

Unless there is something in the law that has not yet come to light, and I have trouble believing any legislature has given a judge the power to stop a person from being fed by mouth, then this order is clearly illegal and an abomination as well as an eggregious abuse of judicial authority but it has apparantly and incredibly gone unchallenged.

FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE, AND FOR THE SAKE OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, SOMEONE CHALLENGE THIS JUDICIAL POWER GRAB AND HAND GREER HIS FIRST DEFEAT AND GIVE TERRI SOME CHANCE!!! JEB BUSH KEEPS SAYING HE MUST FOLLOW THE LAW. HOW ABOUT THIS LAW?

21 posted on 03/27/2005 3:56:17 AM PST by politeia
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To: mal
it is the most grotesque judicial overreaching for any court at this late stage to decide enough is enough.

I generally agree with Steyn.

Not this time.

The court made a finding of fact that Teri is PVS. That may or may not have been accurate, medically speaking.

However, once that finding has been made, under Florida law the rest follows perfectly naturally.

Her husband is designated as her next of kin. As such, he has the legal right to make medical decisions for her.

With the possible exception of the finding of fact as to her medical condition, from what I can see the courts were just implementing Florida law.

If you don't like the way that law works out, change it. Don't whine because the judges didn't overrule the law.

22 posted on 03/27/2005 4:04:24 AM PST by Restorer
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To: politeia

You're so right. Alot of people raise mentally disabled children right through their lives. After the parents pass on that often becomes a responibilty the siblings take on.Are we to assume that once these handicapped children turn 21 its legal for the parents to starve them?


23 posted on 03/27/2005 4:04:44 AM PST by wiggen (Greer confims the existence of hell)
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To: wiggen
How the death of Terri Schiavo affects the world

Moral Sovereignty and America's Foreign Policy

24 posted on 03/27/2005 4:06:35 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: beyond the sea

Mark Steyn certainly has a way to put things in a clear light. Also from the article,

"There seems to be a genuine dispute about her condition -- between those on her husband's side, who say she has ''no consciousness,'' and those on her parents' side, who say she is capable of basic, childlike reactions. If the latter are correct, ending her life is an act of murder. If the former are correct, what difference does it make? If she feels nothing -- if there's no there there -- she has no misery to be put out of. That being so, why not err in favor of the non-irreversible option?"


25 posted on 03/27/2005 4:12:44 AM PST by dbehsman (NRA Life member and loving every minute of it!)
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To: expatguy

We as a nation have no moral standing in the world after this. Whats truly amazing is the lambasting we took over panties on terrorist heads but nobody is taking us to task on this except the lonely voice of the Vatican.


26 posted on 03/27/2005 4:16:42 AM PST by wiggen (Greer confims the existence of hell)
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To: wiggen
I commented on that a few days ago in my blog -

Of course subjecting Terri to "cruel and unusual" punishment by starving and dehydrating her to to death is not quite as serious as say... putting a pair of panties on her head and snapping a few photographs. But then again our nation's soldiers unlike our nation's judges are held accountable for their actions and when they violate someone's rights in the course of their duties they are duly charged and prosecuted.

Our nation's soldiers were prosecuted for violating the rights of Iraqis - our judges are untouchable?

27 posted on 03/27/2005 4:21:05 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Restorer

I understand your point, but aren't the facts somewhat in question regardless of whether the courts are relying on certain medical authorities? Kinda like garbage in, garbage out?


28 posted on 03/27/2005 4:29:22 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Restorer
The Judge-perp DID overrule the Law and the law for both $$$$ and Scientology and the Hemlock Society.

The Rule of Terri's Case Strikes Again. -2004- Judge Greer's crimes

MICHAEL SCHIAVO'S lies and contradictory testimony in easy to read format


'Thou shall not murder'

Exd 20:13

'Thou shall not murder'

Deu 5:17

29 posted on 03/27/2005 4:30:31 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: mal
Questions?

If someone would sneak into Terri's room and put a bullet in her head to end her misery, would they be charged with murder???

Would that charge of murder be brought against that 'someone' by the Florida State law enforcers?

Why then, isn't Greer being charged with attempted murder?

30 posted on 03/27/2005 4:38:30 AM PST by eeriegeno
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To: Loyal Buckeye

I believe I noted there are valid questions about the accuracy of the finding of fact that she is in PSV.


31 posted on 03/27/2005 4:48:26 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Diogenesis
It's morally repugnant to hear anyone use the argument that starvation and dehydration are the "natural way" to go, or that Terri should be allowed to "die with dignity".
Terri is not only being denied a feeding tube but any nutrition or water orally. (Court discarded affidavits have said Terri can swallow.) Florida law may consider that legal, everyone may be talking about Terri's "right" to die, but very few are talking about Terri's RIGHT to live. The courts are not about justice but merely process and that process is murder.
32 posted on 03/27/2005 4:49:35 AM PST by pieces of time
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To: Diogenesis

The Mosaic Law is not incorporated into either the Florida or US law codes.

If you think it should be, get a movement started to make it so.

Don't criticize a judge for applying the law as it stands rather than making up his own.


33 posted on 03/27/2005 4:50:42 AM PST by Restorer
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To: mal

http://www.regent.edu/admin/ctl/uselesseaters/


34 posted on 03/27/2005 4:51:03 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: mal
I am aghast. If innocent Terri has murdered someone or something along those lines, the ghouls would be screeching to the tallest towers over the injustice of her death.

As an American, I shudder at the thought that someone can be court-ordered to be starved to death in the face of so little evidence to one end or another.

We are all to be judged as a society based on our actions as a people.

I have now come to fear that judgement and righteously so.

35 posted on 03/27/2005 4:55:54 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: thoughtomator
What a nightmare that must be, to realize after the fact that you do want to live after all, then be euthanized for your previous error!

An important point! Many people are terrified of disability, and think they'd rather be dead, in theory. They often find they'd rather be alive, when faced with the situation in reality.

It's not, I believe, that the fear of death is so overwhelming that any life is preferable, but rather that the fear of disability has been tremendously exaggerated.

Our culture holds that a "meaningful life" is one that is productive, and that "dignity" means autonomy. The disabled and those who work with them remind us that these ideas are false.

36 posted on 03/27/2005 4:57:16 AM PST by Tax-chick ("I have been half in love with easeful Death ... Now more than ever seems it rich to die.")
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To: mal
The sleazoid denied his dying wife last rites... he is a cold blooded bastard. Her humanity doesn't matter to him or nor her being reconciled with God. She needs to be bumped off --- I know, for the greater good. Where have we heard that before? All is I know, is state-sanctioned murder is wrong. And one day in the hereafter, all those responsible for this outrage will have to answer for their conduct before the Supreme Judge.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
37 posted on 03/27/2005 4:59:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Restorer
A thread was posted where the evil Judge violated US and Florida law.

Don't criticize those who speak up - as you forget to read the entire post if it shows that you are incorrrect.

38 posted on 03/27/2005 4:59:15 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Restorer
My comment was directed toward the judgment of the Judiciary. The law is one thing, the application of the law is another. If all factors were not considered by the judges, then that failing supersedes any failing in the law.

Garbage in, garbage out.
39 posted on 03/27/2005 4:59:25 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Tax-chick
I'm disabled. I guess because I'm deaf, I'm near-sighted and I have an autoimmune (not HIV/AIDS) condition, its my turn to go, too. We need a world of completely perfect people.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
40 posted on 03/27/2005 5:01:19 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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