Posted on 03/26/2005 7:57:37 AM PST by Theodore R.
Schiavo case tests GOP alliances, priorities
Public reaction to federal intervention surprises many lawmakersANALYSIS By Shailagh Murray and Mike Allen
Updated: 11:43 p.m. ET March 25, 2005WASHINGTON - A week after their unprecedented intervention in the Terri Schiavo case, Republican congressional leaders find themselves in a moral and political thicket, having advanced the cause as a right-to-life issue — only to confront polls showing that the public does not see it that way.
"How deep is this Congress going to reach into the personal lives of each and every one of us?" asked Rep. Christopher Shays (Conn.), one of only five Republicans in the House to vote against the Schiavo bill.
Fractured alliances Republican lawmakers and others engaged in the debate say an internal party dispute over the Schiavo case has ruptured, at least temporarily, the uneasy alliance between economic and social conservatives that twice helped President Bush get elected.
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"Advocates of using federal power to keep this woman alive need to seriously study the polling data that's come out on this," said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, who has been talking to both social and economic conservatives about the fallout. "I think that a lot of conservative leaders assumed there was broader support for saying that they wanted to have the federal government save this woman's life."
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Sorry, Grover, your statement here will in the long run hurt YOUR CAUSE for "tax reform." This is the murder of an innocent person in broad daylight, as the Amercan people cheer the crime.
memo to the masses: politics is the doormat upon which Terri's feet are wiped. This is about life, not political partisanship.
all this "polling data" is BRAVO SIERRA
So we should consult polling data rather than Almighty God. What is wrong with people?
Uhhh, you idiots do it everyday Shay, using my tax money! Why the outrage now?
The polls are skewed with biased questions in the first place.
The results are therefore highly questionable.
And since when do we determine what is moral by using a poll?
(Unless you are on the Supreme Court, you don't make
decisions by popular opinion, or consult polls.)
It also tests Executive leadership and so far the Bush brothers have been all hat and no cattle. Obviously the Courts are not 'doable'.
Three recent Presidential opinion polls show Bush losing 7 approval appoints since his intervention in the Schiavo case.
"WASHINGTON -- President Bush's job-approval rating has sunk to 45 percent, the lowest of his presidency, amid public opposition at his intervention in the Terri Schiavo case and growing concern about soaring gasoline prices."
This demonstrates that the Republican action is not playing well in Peoria and it may backfire on Republican candidates for 2008.
Real conservative Amercians respect the rule of law and want limited intervention in personal matters -- as heart breaking as this case maybe.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-asecbush26032605mar26,1,6587053.story?coll=orl-home-headlines&ctrack=1&cset=true
GOP is so totally wrong on this and think they are so right. can you just hear footprints of the moderates running from Bush over the border and Terri?
Other issues can account for a poll drop, record high gasoline, recent stock market weakness, SS reform slowing, lots of things.
I don't think people are going to vote for the Dems because the Reps are saying let's get someone tested again before we kill them. If so, then this country isn't going to be a great place to live in, whoever is in power.
- James Madison, Federalist Paper 51
“...Particular misconstructions and contraventions of the will of the legislature may now and then happen; but they can never be so extensive as to amount to an inconvenience, or in any sensible degree to affect the order of the political system. This may be inferred with certainty, from the general nature of the judicial power, from the objects to which it relates, from the manner in which it is exercised, from its comparative weakness, and from its total incapacity to support its usurpations by force...”
- Alexander Hamilton
Federalist Paper 81: The Judiciary Continued, and the Distribution of the Judicial Authority
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The Federalist No. 51
The Structure of the Government Must Furnish the Proper Checks and Balances Between the Different Departments
...If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions...(snip)
In a single republic, all the power surrendered by the people is submitted to the administration of a single government; and the usurpations are guarded against by a division of the government into distinct and separate departments. In the compound republic of America, the power surrendered by the people is first divided between two distinct governments, and then the portion allotted to each subdivided among distinct and separate departments. Hence a double security arises to the rights of the people. The different governments will control each other, at the same time that each will be controlled by itself...(snip)
...In republican government, the legislative authority necessarily predominates...(snip)
Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit. In a society under the forms of which the stronger faction can readily unite and oppress the weaker, anarchy may as truly be said to reign as in a state of nature, where the weaker individual is not secured against the violence of the stronger...(snip)
---- James Madison
The question is how deep is a judge going to reach into our personal lives. I wonder how Shays might feel, in the absence of unanimous opinion in his family, if his fate was determined by his reactions to a movie, television show and death of an elderly person.
Kilgore would be the wrong person to punish!
But you may have to sit out 2008, looking at the current "crop" of GOP "candidates." I mean how can one get enthusiastic with any of those thus far mentioned.
I think James Madison, that pesky "father of the Constitution," has been cancelled by low ratings from the "all-knowing" American people!
Real conservative Americans would like the truth to come out. Real conservative Americans don't think one probate judge should have so much power. Real conservative Americans respect life.
No kidding! This "outrage" from the cradle to grave party. The way they think, the grave is coming a lot sooner for some of us.
FMCDH(BITS)
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