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Police 'Showdown' Averted ['Team of State Agents Were En Route to Seize Terri']
Miami Herald ^ | Sat, Mar. 26, 2005 | CAROL MARBIN MILLER

Posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:28 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.

Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.

For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called ``a showdown.''

In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.

''We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in,'' said a source with the local police.

''The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene,'' said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. ``When the sheriff's department and our department told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off.''

The incident,known only to a few and related to The Herald by three different sources involved in Thursday's events, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in Florida law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.

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To: LRS
Not so sure about her remains. I agree that will bring out some tensions among the family members but I don't think it will bring out the emotions on a nationwide basis as this has. And hopefully the United States Congress won't try to stick its nose needlessly into that issue as well.

I agree with you on instigators. There are some crackpots out there. Unfortunately, this guy they just pulled out of western NC, threatening judges in Florida may just be the first in line. I just hope a lot of people that have gotten emotional over this issue will sit back in a few weeks and think about some of the things they have said and advocated, from a moral and Constitutional stance

481 posted on 03/25/2005 9:30:11 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: JonDavid

Ronald Reagan would have done no such thing.


482 posted on 03/25/2005 9:30:12 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: Antoninus

OK, I'll bite. Just what statute are you referring to when you say Jeb has the power? I'm sure you have access to the Floria law, just point out the exact statute you are referring to.


483 posted on 03/25/2005 9:30:12 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Libertina

Thank you. I guess I AM still relatively new here, but after the past week I sure feel like a veteran.


484 posted on 03/25/2005 9:30:45 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: NorCalRepub

Oh, great, now it will be manhandled by those NAZIS who handle the mail! /s.o. for the dimwitted


485 posted on 03/25/2005 9:31:31 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (An agnostic against abortion and "assisted suicide" based on hearsay)
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To: West Coast Conservative
but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.

Who is in the police chain of command... Jeb, or a judge? If Jeb, then the police should be terminated, with prejudice.

486 posted on 03/25/2005 9:31:35 PM PST by Tax Government (Withhold hydration from the judicial branch of government. Contribute to FR; that may help.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I was referring to this statement:

"Would you like a governor who used the state police to "rescue" death row imates because he decided it's the right thing to do?"

I wasn't referring to Terri. Please try to keep up.
487 posted on 03/25/2005 9:31:52 PM PST by Nik Naym
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To: Chad Fairbanks

haha....Calif and Repub........and by the way....we see eye to eye on this matter.......you have posted some valif points.....


488 posted on 03/25/2005 9:32:04 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: DuncanWaring
"Doesn't the State of Florida understand the concept of "Separation of Powers"?"

The judiciary is convinced that they're the only power that counts, and apparently they've got the dutiful sheeple brainwashed into believing it. If we don't take these dictators down now, next time, instead of starving one woman to death, they may hand down a more efficient and cost effective way of disposing of lots of inconvenient people "helping" lots of people die at one time, and they will pat themselves on the back over what a wonderful thing they're doing. And the lawyers will shout: "Amen!"

489 posted on 03/25/2005 9:32:18 PM PST by sweetliberty (Somebody please pull the death brigade's feeding tube!)
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To: Bedford Forrest
All Hail KING COURT!
490 posted on 03/25/2005 9:32:21 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Nik Naym
You're correct, he has the pardon power and that's a difference here. The court had jurisdiction over this case and the legislature failed to give the governor new power to act.

I would agree that something is out of wack legally and morally, because Jeb might even be able to offer clemency and free crooks from prison, but he has no such authority to save Terri. I have to blame the republican legislators who wimped out.

491 posted on 03/25/2005 9:32:35 PM PST by Williams
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To: Nik Naym

Well, that's been suggested as one solution by several people, so I thought I'd head it off...


492 posted on 03/25/2005 9:32:35 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: Fudd Fan
Randall Terry is operating on pure emotion now.

Randall Terry should not even be involved in this whole situation. He has other personal issues that currently need attention.

Those of us that know Randall personally know exactly what I'm referring to.
493 posted on 03/25/2005 9:33:05 PM PST by politicket
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To: NorCalRepub

LOL... I knew it! You ARE a North California Republican! AHA!

;0)


494 posted on 03/25/2005 9:33:07 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: DanielLongo

"Don't tell me he doesn't have enough authority to make a squad of county deputies back down and relinquish their side arms if they prove insubordinate. Besides which, are you suggesting that the county executive holds more authority than the chief executive of the state in which they reside?"

First of all, please understand I am on your side here. So, when I explain the way territories work, doesn't mean I like or support it.

I hold a license in my state (Oklahoma) as an armed private investigator. What I was taught about a Sheriff I will pass along. A county sheriff is the highest level of elected law enforcement there is. Because they are elected, not appointed, they weld a great deal of power in their county. Their "boss" is the citizens of the county, and only the citizens can fire them. Their funding comes from the counties revenues, not the state (I am certain there are some exceptions of course). I know it sounds strange, I didn't used to believe it either, but a county sheriff is pretty much king/queen of their county. Hence the stories about corrupt county sheriffs. Oh, even a major city that falls within a county is under the jurisdiction of the county sheriff. I have seen county sheriff deputies making traffic stops within a major metro area (a ridiculous redundancy) with city police looking on powerless to interfere.

City police are usual subject to an elected city council or manager with the Chief of Police being an appointed person who serves at the will of the governing board or maybe the will of an elected mayor; depends on the area. I cannot think of a place where the Chief of Police is elected (although there probably are examples). Whatever, the Chief of Police and the officers under him serve the city and city officials. Of course they are subject to state law, but I don't believe state law gives a governor authority over city police. I guess it depends on the state.

The National Guard does serve under the authority of the Governor, unless federalized by the President of the U.S. There are many examples in the 20th century where a governor used his national guard to enforce his will only to have the president nationalise them so they then fall under federal control.

Now all of that being said. I agree with you that I think if Governor Bush stood firm and told State Law Enforcement to take control of Terri that city and county types would back down rather than risk violence and bloodshed. Governer Bush could declare martial law and use his national guard - I don't think his brother would interfere. However, there is always the wildcard of some prideful sheriff getting stubborn, or city police for that matter. Like I said, these types tend to be extremely territorial.

Whatever, I really doubt this story is true.


495 posted on 03/25/2005 9:33:14 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Regulator
Greer's a nobody who is doggedly trying to be a somebody. What's funny is that the somebodies are letting him kick them around. He has now stuck his tongue out at the President, the Governor, Congress, pretty much everyone. The courts go along with him because, well, they're all attorneys wearing black robes too - they like the idea of being in control. So they won't jam him up.

That's exactly how I see it. The judicial clique in action. I'm just appalled at the bunch of candy-assed sissy-girls the executive branch in Florida has turned out to be.
496 posted on 03/25/2005 9:33:33 PM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Lori675

Right after he dons his superman outfit. He is a congressman for God's sake. He is very polarizing and has gone as far as he is going to go,and therefore one should not speculate.


497 posted on 03/25/2005 9:33:34 PM PST by samantha (relax, and cheer up the adults are in charge)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Well, he should just declare a state of mergency and activate the guard then.

Yeah, that's a good idea. Strip everyone of their rights, for the sake of one woman.


Is that the best counterargument you can make? BTW, he does not need to declare a state of emergency to activate the guard, and he does not need to suspend civil rights either.

Do you think saving ONE WOMAN is not worth the trouble here? Please tell me exactly HOW MANY lives need to be on the line before you would support such action. Ten? One hundred? One thousand? And what is your moral and legal basis for making the distinction?
498 posted on 03/25/2005 9:33:45 PM PST by MTOrlando
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To: Williams

"I have to blame the republican legislators who wimped out."

I am definitely more willing to do that. They were more than spineless.


499 posted on 03/25/2005 9:33:56 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: Regulator
The courts go along with him because, well, they're all attorneys wearing black robes too - they like the idea of being in control. So they won't jam him up.

Is this what they call the good ole boys club? I think of it as a mafia.

500 posted on 03/25/2005 9:34:02 PM PST by Ben Chad
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