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There was alot of passion during the Quinlan case. I remember it well.
20 years a nurse.
Don't believe the bunk about living wills, it is a mixed bag at best.
It may give you some control over your termination but it is also going to get you substandard care in the hospital or a nursing home.
But Terri is still alive.
Probably because her husband took her off the therapy which was at that point was improving her after he receieved all that money from the court settlement. Surprised how I've heard so little about the speculation that her husband may have tried to kill her, when a neurologist or something like that said there was a strange fracture on her skull that wasn't typical of an injury from falling.
Thats what I asked again and again. Prolifer's need to be for ALL not just one.
There was plenty of "passion", especially over Quinlan.
But, the major difference is this: the families were pleading with the courts to let them end the exceptional medical care (respirators).
And, equally important, there were no family members pleading with the courts for custody so they could assume responsibility for administering food and water and rehabilitation.
Maybe because the advent of the internet and talk radio has allowed such cases to be more widely disseminated, to say the least. Even the Schiavo case, although 15 years old, did not achieve national attention until a few years ago.
Don't go to doctors from Creighton!! They can't tell an IV or tube from a respirator. They are unable to tell the difference between pulling the plug on medical equipment and slow starvation. Definitely quacks.
It's a liberal trial balloon, a sort of revolution putsh against the pro-life plank. The MSM chose this case because it seems they knew they could win it and make a point through it. This is my sincerest of belief that this whole thing is being staged, the actors, especialy nutso "husband" are well controled.
Remember, this is the age of Elian presaging 911, a message to the world to Castro like terrorists that they can have custodies over our children for social "welfare".
The Terri Schiavo thing is a counter war for terror waged by liberals, telling terrorists abroad that we do not care about subhuman Jews in Israel or that we wont look at hard evidences or key witnesses against them if they are brain damaged... we will forget who is a terrorist, so long as they are not brain damaged...
The Terri thing also indicates how our intel and judicial services are incapable of preserving evidence and using it to protect us, and instead are more intent on covering it up. It's an interpenetration model with Internationalist ruling against Death penalty at the Supremes combined with Internationalist ruling at the locality with the Terri case.
It is a call to the satans of the world, so to speak, a call for readiness to have them rule with death over us, a call to justify the suicide bomber whose plug is pulled by bad life....
IT is a call to ignore evidence and cover up evidence of very real foreign threats of weapons of mass destructions, of the reality of terrorist regimes dumbing down their people and thus getting a default right to their life or death.
WE are going to get nuked.
Nancy Cruzan did not have the benefit of the Internet, either.
Why all the passion over judicial activism, homosexual 'marriage', abortion etcetera? You are witnessing moral conservatism. Those passionate over issues as these are now in power. The morally corrupt democrats are on the sidelines and the moral equivocators e.g. libertarians are just observers as they have always been and will always be...
Because her husband has a conflict of interest and her parents want to take care of her.
Terri's parents WANT to keep her alive and receive therapy. The COURT has MANDATED that FOOD AND WATER be withheld based on a NOVEL idea that MEDICAL TREATMENT includes Food and Water.
I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but the Schaivo FACTS do not compare to the FACTS in the other cases.
From his carport.
Funny the things they don't mention.
Michaels sudden and convenient recall that "Terri wouldn't want to live like this" after he got the money and got engaged to another woman.
Many of us, just plain, don't trust Michael and his motives.
This line of argumentation reminds me of neo-Confederates who try to assuage their feelings over slavery by pointing out that there was just as much racial discrimination in the Northern states as in the Southern. Not a valid way of looking at it, in my opinion. Whether it's right or wrong to murder innocent people has very little to do with whether some people have been hypocritical about the subject in the past.
Interestingly, from this article one can conclude that, per federal law, one cannot pull a feeding tube unless clear and convincing evidence is available that the affected person would wish it to be pulled under the circumstances. I don't think most people would agree that Terri's husband's interested hearsay testimony constitutes clear and convincing evidence. I know that per legal technicalities his testimony is not regarded as hearsay, but give me a break: society has watered down the marriage contract to such an extent that no one can seriously regard his testimony as anything but virtual hearsay.
Because these cases are totally different. They took Quindlen off a respirator, and she was able to keep breathing, so they let her live.
They did not starve her to death because her quality of life was supposedly too low.
"...The lapse of time between the various offenses and the indictment of defendant on July 27, 1967, is considerable but is adequately explained by the record. The murder weapon in each case was unique, insulin. The deaths of each of these victims were initially attributed to causes other than a criminal agency. Suspicion of insulin and of defendant as the person administering the insulin was not aroused until the death of Zella in 1956. It was not until years later, after much painstaking and persistent investigation by law enforcement officers, and the discovery of advances made in {Page 3 Cal.3d 621} medical knowledge and techniques, that sufficient evidence could be accumulated to charge defendant with these deaths. Unfortunately, by then other of defendant's victims had lost their lives. This is the only known reported case of murder by insulin poisoning in the United States. Only one other, reported world-wide, occurred in England in 1956. ..."
"...Dr. Grace Fern Thomas, a psychiatrist and an expert in insulin shock therapy, and director of the insulin shock department at the time defendant was at Camarillo, testified as to the procedures on the ward. A precise dosage of insulin was measured for each person at a particular time. At a specific level that patient would go into shock in approximately two hours after the injection. Patients do not progress at the same level. Careful watch must be kept of the pulse, color, blood pressure, general condition, and neurological signs, such as pupillary changes and body motions. When a patient is going into progressive stages of coma he sweats very profusely and breathes very heavily. Saliva is secreted in large amounts, mucous flows freely and mixes with the saliva, and the patient must be carefully watched, turned, or assisted so that he does not aspirate the fluid into his lungs. Otherwise bronchopneumonia may develop, leading to death. The gag reflex and the cornea reflex are lost. Convulsions may occur, and medication is given to prevent this. The extremities may stiffen. At a relatively deep level of coma the Babinski test (scatching the sole of the foot in a certain manner) will cause a reflex known as the Babinski response (toes fan out). The patient must be brought out of the coma within 10-15 minutes thereafter. This is done by administering glucose through gastric tubes, and if this is not effective, glucose is administered intravenously to raise the blood sugar. If the brain is deprived of blood sugar for a prolonged period irreversible brain damage and death may result. As soon as a patient is fed glucose he awakens and is hungry. Only regular insulin was used in the ward because it was the only insulin where the time of coma could be calculated for therapeutic use. Injections began with small doses, very gradually increased over a three-week period..."