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Rabbi Lapin to Judge Greer: “WHAT PART OF 'THOU SHALL NOT KILL' DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?”
Toward Tradition ^ | Marcy 25 05 | Rabbi Lapin

Posted on 03/25/2005 3:50:13 PM PST by churchillbuff

Toward Tradition and Rabbi Daniel Lapin urge the husband of neurology patient Terri Schindler-Schiavo, and Judge George Greer, who issued her death warrant, to recognize that starving an invalid is murder, not mercy.

Florida Circuit Court Judge Greer Thursday last week re-interpreted the law, calling food and water "medical treatment," thus allowing Michael Schiavo to withdraw Mrs. Schindler-Schiavo's feeding tube. This also ignores the rights of Terri's primary caretakers and loyal defenders, her mother and father. The court has ordered all food and water withheld beginning this Friday, March 18th; it is expected to take her between 1- 2 weeks to starve or dehydrate to death. One wonders if they will attempt to withhold air as well.

Rabbi Lapin, president of the national Jewish-Christian alliance, appealed to Mr. Schiavo and Judge Greer to choose life. "Not for nothing is the climax of God's relationship with Israel His admonition 'I place before you this day life and death--therefore choose life.' According to ancient Jewish wisdom, failure actively and deliberately to choose life makes death the default. None of us will be better off in an America in which death has become the culture's default," said Rabbi Daniel Lapin.

Those that support the impending murder might consider that Kate Adamson, a California woman who suffered a sudden double-brainstem stroke, was deemed a vegetable by her physicians; her husband was warned she would never regain full brain function. He refused to give up on her (although she could not speak or move), in stark contrast to Mr. Schiavo. Mr. Adamson's faith appears to have been correct, because his wife has written a book about her experiences: Kate's Journey: Triumph Over Adversity, which tells of her journey from isolation and catastrophic brain injury.

Mrs. Adamson recently spoke out on behalf of Terri Schindler-Schiavo at a rally protesting the pre-meditated murder plot by her husband and the courts.

As former US Surgeon General C. Everett Koop wrote: "If we ever decide that a poor quality of life justifies ending that life, we have taken a step down a slippery slope that places all of us in danger. There is a difference between allowing nature to take its course and actively assisting death."

Toward Tradition applauds US Senator Mel Martinez and Representative Dave Weldon (FL), who have introduced a bill to Congress entitled the "Incapacitated Persons' Legal Protection Act," guaranteeing constitutional rights to those who cannot speak for themselves.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: greer; lapin; schiavo; terri; terrihysteria; terrischiavo
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To: churchillbuff
PEOPLE v. ARCHERD (1970) 3 C3d 615

"...The lapse of time between the various offenses and the indictment of defendant on July 27, 1967, is considerable but is adequately explained by the record. The murder weapon in each case was unique, insulin. The deaths of each of these victims were initially attributed to causes other than a criminal agency. Suspicion of insulin and of defendant as the person administering the insulin was not aroused until the death of Zella in 1956. It was not until years later, after much painstaking and persistent investigation by law enforcement officers, and the discovery of advances made in {Page 3 Cal.3d 621} medical knowledge and techniques, that sufficient evidence could be accumulated to charge defendant with these deaths. Unfortunately, by then other of defendant's victims had lost their lives. This is the only known reported case of murder by insulin poisoning in the United States. Only one other, reported world-wide, occurred in England in 1956. ..."

"...Dr. Grace Fern Thomas, a psychiatrist and an expert in insulin shock therapy, and director of the insulin shock department at the time defendant was at Camarillo, testified as to the procedures on the ward. A precise dosage of insulin was measured for each person at a particular time. At a specific level that patient would go into shock in approximately two hours after the injection. Patients do not progress at the same level. Careful watch must be kept of the pulse, color, blood pressure, general condition, and neurological signs, such as pupillary changes and body motions. When a patient is going into progressive stages of coma he sweats very profusely and breathes very heavily. Saliva is secreted in large amounts, mucous flows freely and mixes with the saliva, and the patient must be carefully watched, turned, or assisted so that he does not aspirate the fluid into his lungs. Otherwise bronchopneumonia may develop, leading to death. The gag reflex and the cornea reflex are lost. Convulsions may occur, and medication is given to prevent this. The extremities may stiffen. At a relatively deep level of coma the Babinski test (scatching the sole of the foot in a certain manner) will cause a reflex known as the Babinski response (toes fan out). The patient must be brought out of the coma within 10-15 minutes thereafter. This is done by administering glucose through gastric tubes, and if this is not effective, glucose is administered intravenously to raise the blood sugar.

If the brain is deprived of blood sugar for a prolonged period irreversible brain damage and death may result.

As soon as a patient is fed glucose he awakens and is hungry. Only regular insulin was used in the ward because it was the only insulin where the time of coma could be calculated for therapeutic use. Injections began with small doses, very gradually increased over a three-week period..."
41 posted on 03/25/2005 7:45:11 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Sho Nuff

She's already dead? Great then you won't mind if we hook up the feeding tube.


42 posted on 03/25/2005 7:48:11 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Sho Nuff

"She's already dead!"


You wish!


43 posted on 03/25/2005 7:50:01 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: goldstategop
"The Hebrew really says, "thou shall not MURDER." And one is forbidden to hasten the death of a person NOT in imminent danger of dying. The bloodguilt for her death will be on the heads of those who ordered it. They will not escape God's judgment for their mortal sin... "

This 'murder' means premeditate homicide, not the same as a careless act, right? There is also such a thing as a national sin as well as individual. I also realize that unlike our system that ignorance is taken into account as well, however, shame of ones ignorance cannot be ignored.
44 posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:40 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: churchillbuff
I keep thinking....

If MS took a hammer and beat Terri about the head right now until she died, would he not be charged with murder? If someone pulled Kervorkian out of jail and allowed him to inject Terri with some concoction that killed her, would he not be convicted of murder? (speaking of which, all this incident does raise the spectre of a Kervorkian appeal, mark my words)

By definition, this would mean that Terri is alive. And to withhold food and water for any number of days, would constitute neglect of any living person, by anyone's standard.

So how is it that MS and Judge Greer could possibly avoid being charged with neglect (in MS's case) and conspiracy to commit murder?

45 posted on 03/25/2005 8:01:13 PM PST by cincinnati65 (Just up the road a piece.......)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Jesus was a Rabbi


46 posted on 03/25/2005 8:27:36 PM PST by Bigfitz (The mind is like a parachute works best when open)
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To: Sho Nuff

That is a very scary principle you are talking about. You said:



Where's the proof she's a functional human being? Where's the proof she's "there"?


Are you saying that only "functional human beings" should be allowed to live?


47 posted on 03/25/2005 8:28:14 PM PST by It's me
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To: KC_for_Freedom

Oh I know they do. But Rabbi Lapin is the first I heard that will stand by them.


48 posted on 03/25/2005 8:29:08 PM PST by It's me
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To: cincinnati65

This is part of a very interesting article all should read it and post it.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/98981_terri_schiavo_could_be_sec.htm

According to records The Empire Journal has obtained from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the federal agency has initiated collection procedures against the Hospice of Florida Suncoast to recover some $14.8 million which they say was unlawfully paid to the hospice as a result of fraudulent claims made for Medicare reimbursement for patients that were not terminally ill. Such as Terri Schiavo, and therefore not eligible for hospice care. According to the 2004 annual report of HHS filed Dec.31, 2004, the agency has initiated collection procedures against the hospice.

Federal auditors have been cracking down on hospices like Florida Suncoast that seek Medicare payments for treating the terminally ill when the patients aren’t on the brink of death-----such as Terri Schiavo.

The federal agency has been trying to recover the Medicare overpayments made to the hospice since May, 1997 at the time when Michael Schiavo’s attorney, euthanasia advocate George Felos was chairman of the board.

Qui Tam (“who sues on behalf of the king as well as for himself”) is a provision of the Federal Civil False Claims Act that allows a private citizen to file a suit in the name of the U.S. Government charging fraud by government contractors and other entitles who receive or use government funds, and share in any money recovered.

Hospice care is covered under Medicare Part A (Hospital Insurance).

That is if the patient is certified to be terminal.

George Felos also conveniently forgot to give notice to the court and her parents, Mary and Robert Schindler Sr. that he was chairman of the board of directors at the Hospice at the time and had been since at least Jan. 31, 1997 and perhaps earlier.


49 posted on 03/25/2005 8:33:42 PM PST by Bigfitz (The mind is like a parachute works best when open)
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To: It's me

If functional Human Beings are the criteria I for one am in trouble


50 posted on 03/25/2005 8:35:36 PM PST by Bigfitz (The mind is like a parachute works best when open)
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To: It's me
Orthodox Jews are uniformly opposed to euthanasia. Deliberately starving a person to death goes against the teachings of every religion. We don't have the right to call ourselves a civilized country. When we read the prophets, we learn that religious ritual is meaningless without ethical behavior. The prophets were NOT opposed to the Temple or to the sacrificial cult; rather they were opposed to the insincerity of celebrating faith when injustice occured all around them. The two have to be in harmony. Its to our credit that some of the shame we're feeling has been expiated to some extent by the many people who've tried to do the right thing - but I will never look on our government in the same light again.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
51 posted on 03/25/2005 8:35:44 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: churchillbuff

A Bump in the Celebration of Life!


52 posted on 03/25/2005 8:37:02 PM PST by harpo11
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To: Sho Nuff
She's severly brain damaged. She can't walk, run, play, eat on her own, talk, bathe on her own, go to the bathroom on her own. She's confined to a bed for the rest of her life. What kind of life is that? Life is for the living.

YIKES!!!!

So we should starve newborn BABIES!???? They can't walk, run, play, eat on their own, talk, bathe on their own, go to the bathroom on their own. They are pretty well confined to a bed too!

54 posted on 03/25/2005 9:08:45 PM PST by It's me
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To: marty60

FOX NEWS just reported that Judge Greer's Baptist church
has "disfellowshiped" him. (There is a killer in our midst!)


55 posted on 03/25/2005 9:29:34 PM PST by Winfield (sham)
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To: It's me
Exactly. The intrinsic value of a human life is not defined by our ability to take care of ourselves. Imagine what would have happened if a court ordered Ronald Reagan to be put to death after the nation learned he had Alzheimers.' He lost his memory, he lost the ability to care of himself and in the sunset of his years he slowly declined to the inevitable. My point is a natural death is one thing and taking it upon ourselves to decide when someone should die is another matter alogether. Where do we draw the line? Any one who our elites feel is useless must go and its an entirely subjective process - no one is safe. Don't kid yourselves into thinking it'll be confined to cases like Terri Schiavo's.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
56 posted on 03/25/2005 9:30:38 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: It's me

Rabbi Lapin is a very good guy.


57 posted on 03/25/2005 11:00:07 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Sho Nuff

Oops. Sorry. I thought you were making a silly Star Trek joke.


58 posted on 03/26/2005 2:32:22 AM PST by T'wit (Liberals had better stop preaching about quality of life and start worrying about quality of death)
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To: ArmyTeach

I think you have a point there. As a society we do accept that killing innocents can be done under certain circumstances. Take the Iraq war, for example. Even though we never intend to, we know that innocent civilians will be killed by our soldiers as a result of conflict. It would be childish to suppose otherwise: war is messy. We haven't kept count of the number of civilians killed in Iraq, but we know it must be in the thousands. I'm not suggesting that this is equivalent to Terri's case - but I am saying that the deaths of innocents is considered to be acceptable under certain circumstances.


59 posted on 03/26/2005 2:41:37 AM PST by Bombay Bloke
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To: It's me

"Where's the proof she's a functional human being? Where's the proof she's "there"?
Are you saying that only "functional human beings" should be allowed to live?"

The debate over whether Terri is "alive" or not is ridiculous.
SHE IS ALIVE. Yes, She is severely brain damaged, but not brain dead, the definition of death. A person who on her own can breath and whose heart beats is alive. She is not in imminent threat of death ( of course, not until her "husband" and a man in a Black robe ordered her murdered).

WHY HAS THIS WOMAN BEEN IN HOSPICE CARE FOR 5 YEARS? HOSPICE IS FOR END OF LIFE CARE FOR THE DYING.


60 posted on 03/26/2005 2:58:59 AM PST by PJBlogger (BEWARE :: HILLARY and her HINO want to take back YOUR COUNTRY !)
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