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Gandhi Was a Racist? (Socialist idol being cast down?)
Daily Times ^ | 03-25-2005 | Yassif Latif Hamdani

Posted on 03/25/2005 9:24:33 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy

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To: MeanWestTexan; solitas

I think the story all y'all are talking about is "The Last Article", by Harry Turtledove.

http://www.locusmag.com/index/t97.html#A12173

According to this page, it's on p. 91 of the January 1988 issue of "The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction", though I know I've read it in an alt-hist anthology such as MWT mentioned.


101 posted on 03/25/2005 12:54:46 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Cool. Thanks - I'll have to go hunt-up my boxes of Analog/AS/IASFM/F&SF/etc and hope I have 1/88.


102 posted on 03/25/2005 1:02:16 PM PST by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: drchandra

...isn't it about time for HAL to sing 'Daisy, Daisy' to you?


103 posted on 03/25/2005 1:03:30 PM PST by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: solitas

**...isn't it about time for HAL to sing 'Daisy, Daisy' to you?**

LOL!


105 posted on 03/25/2005 1:10:38 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy
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To: CarrotAndStick

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I'd like to point out that there are two sides to every story:

The trial and martyrdom of the Gadar Party leadership in the Lahore Conspiracy trial, and the internment of some 1,500 of the emigrants in India, proved an abiding symbol for a younger generation of radicals....In Punjab, the doubling of prices of wheat, rice and bajra, and the tripling of salt prices fuelled discontent...

The [Indian] Congress' anti-Rowlatt Act agitation exploded on this landscape... By April 6, the anti-Rowlatt satyagraha was at its peak in Punjab. "Practically the whole of Lahore was on the streets," historian Hari Singh has recorded."The immense crowd that passed through Anarkali was estimated to be around 20,000."

In Amritsar, over 5,000 people gathered at Jallianwala Bagh. By April 9, Ram Navami day, traditionally riot-prone, a new spirit seemed to be in the air.... British authority appeared to be collapsing....

On April 10, 1919, the Empire tried to hit back.... News of Gandhi's arrest the previous day at Palwal soon reached Amritsar. The city exploded.

Over 15,000 people gathered at the Carriage Bridge... The enraged crowd, armed with lathis, turned on British officials. Four British residents were killed and two were seriously injured; one, missionary Marcella Sherwood, was left for dead.

Government property was burned and looted...

When Brigadier General Dyer arrived in Amritsar...at 9 p.m. the next day, his fellow British residents had convinced themselves that the events of 1857 were about to repeat themselves.

...The Danda Fauj (stick-army) of impoverished Muslim artisans led by Chanan Din marched through the streets with sticks and toy guns, declaring their loyalty to the Amir of Afghanistan and the German Kaiser. Crowds of students proclaimed the death of King George, while rumours were spread that Indian troops had mutinied...More dangerously for the Raj, the 4,000 Indian railway employees...went on strike....

On the morning of April 13, Vaisakhi day, Dyer's troops marched through Amritsar, proclaiming that all assemblies would be "dispersed by force of arms if necessary."

Shortly afterwards, two people walked through the city banging tin cans to announce a rally at 4:30 p.m. at Jallianwala Bagh. By afternoon, a peace gathering of over 20,000 people was in place, hearing a succession of speeches condemning the Rowlatt Act and the recent arrests and firings....

No effort, Dyer later admitted, had been made to prevent the gathering from taking place, a fact which, coupled with rally organiser Hans Raj's somewhat murky background, led some contemporary observers...to speculate that the dusty maiden had been deliberately chosen as a killing field.

An aircraft briefly hovered overhead as five speeches were completed before Dyer arrived at Jallianwala Bagh, along with two young officers, Briggs and Anderson, 50 Indian and British rifle-men, 40 Gurkhas...

A few minutes before sunset, the first of 1,650 rounds were fired into the crowd. Congress leader Durga Das at first believed the shots were fired into the air, but soon realised bodies were falling all around him. No warning was given to disperse before Dyer opened fire. Many died when they jumped into the well at the left-hand side of the maiden, only to be crushed by others who desperately dived on top of them....

"I fired and continued to fire until the crowd dispersed," Dyer told the official Lord William Hunter Committee of Inquiry set up to probe the violence, "and I consider this is the least amount of firing which would produce the necessary moral and widespread effect it was my duty to produce, if I was to justify my action."

"It was no longer a question of merely dispersing the crowd," he added, "but one of producing a sufficient moral effect, from a military point of view, not only on those who were present but more specifically throughout the Punjab...."

...it was a horrible duty for me to perform. It was a merciful act that I had given them the chance to disperse (that is, in the morning). The responsibility was very great. I had to make up my mind that if I fired, I must fire well and strong so that it would have its full effect...

To this day, no one knows how many died. The Punjab Government first asserted that 291 people were killed, but this figure was promptly challenged by the Allahabad-based Sewa Samity, which produced a list of 500 verified deaths An enquiry by Amritsar Deputy Commissioner F.H. Burton later raised the official toll to 379, broadly accepting the Sewa Samiti list but deducting 44 unknown rural bodies cremated by the organisation, and some alleged inaccuracies.

http://allaboutsikhs.com/events/jwbagh.htm

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Which begs the question, if you (third person plural, not first person singular) had been Dryer faced with this situation with number of troops how would you have handled it?

106 posted on 03/25/2005 1:19:55 PM PST by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: yankeedame

Why would Dyer even have to handle it? Was he not in the wrong country, to begin with? What he did was train guns on unarmed men, women and children. No amount of logic can justify that. If it can, then the American Revolutionary War has no meaning.


107 posted on 03/25/2005 2:03:40 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: drchandra

silicon based,

Implants?


108 posted on 03/25/2005 2:08:35 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: drchandra
This type of posting is not welcome at FR.

Hello member since 3-21-05. Allow me to point out that this is not your call. There is only one guy who says what may or may not be posted here. You are not him.

Accusations of racism or racist attitudes (even directed at the Left) do nothing to advance conservatism

Actually it does. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the left in their racist attitudes is very beneficial.

Please keep this information to yourself.

Once again. Not your call.

All of us, whether carbon or silicon based, are entitled to respect.

Only if earned.

Silicon?

110 posted on 03/25/2005 3:37:17 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing!? Oh right, that would be me. Back to work.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

And he used to drink his own urine.


112 posted on 03/25/2005 5:33:38 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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To: drchandra
I am glad to see you posting here also. You provide us with much laughter.

The mindless ranting of the terminally ignorant are very popular for comedy around here as witness by the amazing success of the DUmmie FUnnies.

Keep up the good work.

113 posted on 03/25/2005 5:36:22 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing!? Oh right, that would be me. Back to work.)
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To: Brian Allen

Color me not surprised at Ghandi's views.


114 posted on 03/25/2005 5:40:31 PM PST by cyborg (Sudanese refugee,"Mr.Schiavo I disagree with your opinion about not feeling pain when you starve.")
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To: drchandra
Actually no.

And thanks for the laugh. When someone starts getting in a snit about typos then I know that I hit the mark.

116 posted on 03/25/2005 5:44:06 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing!? Oh right, that would be me. Back to work.)
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To: tiamat

Many dispositioned to the left will turn at the drop of a hat if it means improving their own lot in life. Many Indians were brought over to colonies to be workers. They call them coolies, and to for a subject of Indian descent to be called coolie by a continental Indian was a big insult.


117 posted on 03/25/2005 5:44:53 PM PST by cyborg (Sudanese refugee,"Mr.Schiavo I disagree with your opinion about not feeling pain when you starve.")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Harmless Teddy Bear wrote:


Silicon?




Maybe our New Best Friend is an alien?

:-)


118 posted on 03/25/2005 5:50:12 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: tiamat
Or a computer?

Maybe a Fembot?

119 posted on 03/25/2005 5:51:23 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing!? Oh right, that would be me. Back to work.)
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