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Jeb Bush may take Terri Schiavo into state care
Times On Line.UK ^ | 3/25/2005 | Jenny Booth, Times Online and Tim Reid

Posted on 03/25/2005 4:33:23 AM PST by ex-Texan

Jeb Bush may take Terri Schiavo into state care

The war over the fate of Terri Schiavo was entering its final stages today as her parents clung to two slim hopes of preventing their severely brain-damaged daughter from being allowed to die.

The 41-year-old has been without food or water for almost seven days, after her feeding tube was removed last Friday on the orders of a Florida state judge.

Friends and lawyers say she is showing signs of dehydration - flaky skin, dry tongue and lips, and sunken eyes. Doctors have said she would probably die within a week or two of the tube being removed.

"It's very frustrating. Every minute that goes by is a minute that Terri is being starved and dehydrated to death," said her brother, Bobby Schindler, who said seeing her was like looking at "pictures of prisoners in concentration camps".

But Brian Schiavo, the brother of Mrs Schiavo's husband Michael who has argued for her to be allowed to die with dignity, strongly disagreed, telling CNN that Terri Schiavo "does look a little withdrawn" but insisting she was not in pain. He added that starvation is simply "part of the death process".

One of the final hopes of Mrs Schiavo's parents lies in the federal courts. Last night Bob and Mary Schindler went back before a federal judge in Tampa, filing another emergency request that the feeding tube be reattached while they pursue claims that their daughter's rights are being violated.

District Judge James Whittemore previously rejected an almost identical request on Tuesday. He promised to work through the night to issue his new ruling.

The second and more dramatic hope lies in the hands of Jeb Bush, the Governor of Florida, who was last night considering the politically explosive step of ordering state officials to force their way into the hospice where Mrs Schiavo lies motionless and take her into state custody, in defiance of the US courts.

A Florida judge yesterday rejected a request by Governor Bush to allow the state to take custody of her, but the governor's aides afterwards refused to rule out further action.

The possibility emerged on Wednesday night, when Governor Bush declared that Mrs Schiavo - who court-appointed doctors say has been in persistent vegetative state for 15 years - had been misdiagnosed. He based his assertion on "new information" provided by William Cheshire, a Florida neurologist, who says that she may only be in a "minimally conscious" state.

Although Dr Cheshire, a leading member of the Christian right-to-life movement, did not examine Mrs Schiavo, he observed her for an hour on March 1. Governor Bush maintained that his testimony was compelling enough for the Florida Department of Children and Families (DCF) to take her into protective custody.

On Wednesday night, amid reports that Florida state officials were "mobilising" outside Mrs Schiavo's hospice, Florida Circuit Judge George Greer issued an emergency restraining order prohibiting DCF agents from seizing her.

Judge Greer then formally rejected Governor Bush's custody request yesterday. Last night he refused to hold a new hearing to assess Dr Cheshire's claims.

He also ordered the local sheriff's department not to allow state officials into Mrs Schiavo's hospice - but, under Florida law, the governor has the power, without court clearance, of taking a citizen into custody for a 24-hour appraisal if it is suspected they are in jeopardy.

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To: Walkin Man

That's right.

Jeb is toast.

he had his chance and he blew it. Constitution and law? That never stopped other southern governors from using their power as they saw fit and let the courts be damned. Ever hear of Huey Long?

Present the judges with a fait accompli and there ain't much they can do about it.


241 posted on 03/26/2005 7:48:39 AM PST by Chef Dajuan (BAM!)
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To: Xenalyte; betty boop; All

Just dropping in because time is wasting away for Terri. Have you read this? I think it should be passed around like fire to all the Terri threads for discussion:

http://www.theempirejournal.com/0115056_sheriff_hired_michael_sc.htm


242 posted on 03/26/2005 7:51:39 AM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (http://www.theempirejournal.com/0115056_sheriff_hired_michael_sc.htm)
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To: ex-Texan
He added that starvation is simply "part of the death process".

Oh, please. Part of the death process, alright, just like bleeding out is part of the death process when you shoot someone through the heart. I'd like to see how well this argument would fare for murderers in court (although Greer might buy it). Gee, your honor, don't you know that choking to death is just part of the death process when I put my hands around that person's neck and strangled them?

Terri Schindler will receive no mercy from the court system in this country. They are bound and determined to kill her just to prove the point that the judiciary can do it if they want. They will no more back down than the German judges who stood convicted in the dock at Nuremberg of crimes against humanity.

243 posted on 03/26/2005 7:56:24 AM PST by chimera
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To: Saundra Duffy

I guess Jeb is reading the polls.


244 posted on 03/26/2005 7:59:21 AM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: peyton randolph

Quite possibly yours is the most retarded posting I've ever seen.


245 posted on 03/26/2005 8:04:46 AM PST by imfleck
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To: marron; Alamo-Girl; Jeff Head; joanie-f; xzins; PatrickHenry
But since the public presumption has been toward life, they had to at least go through the motions of trying to help.

The precedent being set by the Schiavo case strips away this fig leaf of basic decency and humanity. I notice that District Court Judge Whittemore totally ducked the constitutional issue that the Schindler legal team sought to bring to bear in their last dealings with the judge: Whether or not the U.S. Constitution protects the right to life as a fundamental human right. Whittemore's reply was to the effect that no federal or state personnel were involved in the decision, which was unilaterally Michael's to make; therefore, since no governmental personnel were in any way involved, the Schindlers' argument is moot and so the issue of what the Constitution guarantees cannot come into play. Talk about a totally specious argument! (1) Did this guy never hear of Judge Greer? (2) Does the application of the federal and/or state constitution reach only to governmental personnel? What a novel legal theory!!!

If a man kills someone with a gun, he will be prosecuted. But if he can manage things so as to kill a person with a court order, then the fact that the person has been killed is irrelevant: No law has been broken.

There is so much to object to in this grotesque miscarriage of justice. I am also terribly bothered by what appears to be the "take-away" the MSM wants the American public to have in light of Terri's ordeal, even Fox. And that message seems to be: Everyone should have a living will!!! Or a DNR order on file!!! Talk about trying to change the subject in the public mind! Jeepers, the only thing a living will or DNR order would do is expedite the death business. But this case is not about the so-called "right-to-die"; it is about the right to life.

As you note, marron, what is the point of making an eventual, ineluctible fact into a civil "right?"

And I'm with you -- I am not the least bit interested in making a living will or a DNR, preferring to "rest still in God's arms." When He's ready to call me, I'm ready to go. I shall always choose life; and God is Life.

The only other direction one can go in, is the death direction. And speaking as a Christian, that direction goes not only to bodily death, that is to the "first death"; but ever so much more importantly, to the Second Death itself.

It has been said that Satan departed from heaven because he could no longer stand the sight of God. When I look at some of the actors playing in the present tragedy, I think they feel the same way.

Now Satan has always known, from Day 1, that he's playing a losing game -- but he would never tell any of his "recruits" that. Instead, the Father of Lies tells men they can do what they want and get what they want, that they can indeed "turn the wheel on which they themselves turn." And this is the very belief that will seal their fate in the Second Death -- the eternally permanent one.

Sorry to rant, marron. I have been a bit upset lately.

Nevertheless, I am not so distraught that I fail to recognize that your essay was beautiful, and its insights deeply truthful.... Thank you so very much for writing!

246 posted on 03/26/2005 11:34:31 AM PST by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Chef Dajuan

Go ahead and read this, then:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2270&ncid=2270&e=1&u=/krwashbureau/20050326/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_braindamagedwoman_seize_exclusive_wa

Or just go to yahoo.


247 posted on 03/26/2005 3:12:41 PM PST by merry10
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To: Chef Dajuan

I guess they stopped em.


248 posted on 03/26/2005 3:13:04 PM PST by merry10
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To: Chef Dajuan

Jeb is still governor. You all can try a recall. Other than that, Floridians have told me he is term limited out.


249 posted on 03/26/2005 3:15:54 PM PST by merry10
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To: Salvation

GREER deserves to stand trial for murder, for deliberately fixing Terri's case and for permitting the abuse and neglect of a vulnerable, handicapped woman.


250 posted on 03/26/2005 3:16:04 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: merry10

Jeb can forget the presidency.


251 posted on 03/26/2005 3:17:00 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: ex-Texan

Conservatives eating their own instead of pointing out to the people the problem this nation has with activist liberal judges. It's no wonder votes have been lost for the constitutional option.

http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html


252 posted on 03/26/2005 3:19:29 PM PST by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: TAdams8591

Not if I have anything to do with it.


253 posted on 03/26/2005 3:58:47 PM PST by merry10
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To: merry10

Jeb will not win the presidency, whether you have anything to do with it or not.


254 posted on 03/26/2005 4:02:04 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: betty boop

Thank you so much for your excellent post! I strongly agree with you that Whittemore's reasoning is specious. It was easy for the Supremes to create a right which does not exist in the Constitution when it suited their agenda (right to privacy, i.e. abortion). And this, the right to life, has a noble lineage directly from the Declaration of Independence - and yet it is ignored.


255 posted on 03/26/2005 8:04:52 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: merry10

What a gutless wonder Jeb is.

They shoulda went in anyway with GUNS drawn.

If the Secret Service can steal JFK's body from the Dallas coroner, then any state's governor should be able to get away with what Jeb needs to do.

Even if a Pinellas Co. local yokel has to get hurt.

And they'd deserve it, too...for upholding an illegal and immoral court order issued by a fake Republican and Godless judge.


256 posted on 03/28/2005 7:08:29 AM PST by Chef Dajuan (BAM!)
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To: Chef Dajuan

More than half of Americans do not feel that way. Let me be the first to tell you, this is not a liberal/conservative issue. You have the left agreeing with you - like Tom Harkin, Joe Leiberman, Lanny Davis and Ralph Nader to name a few. Governor Bush may be "toast" but he is not up for reelection.


257 posted on 03/29/2005 4:44:37 AM PST by merry10
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To: TAdams8591

I think he wouldn't win because of his being pro-life and catholic. It would have nothing to do with this issue.


258 posted on 03/29/2005 4:45:26 AM PST by merry10
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