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Court Ordered Death Is A Slippery Slope [Terri Schiavo]
GOPUSA ^ | March 24, 2005 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 03/24/2005 5:53:02 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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I know this will sounds really dumb, but is Judge Greer the person who actually ordered the feeding tube removed in the first place? Whatever the case may be, he does seem determined to have this woman die.
1 posted on 03/24/2005 5:53:04 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Ohioan from Florida; blueriver; Filthy Rich Republican Fat Cat

Guess what I found....... on Terri

"The road to abuse

That's a system that's ripe for abuse by family members with ulterior motives. It's what many believe has happened in the case of Terri Schiavo—the disabled Florida woman whose husband has kept her in a hospice for years while seeking the court's permission to remove the feeding tube on which she depends so she can starve to death. Michael Schiavo lives with and has fathered two children with another woman and stands to inherit Terri's estate if she dies—the reason her parents believe he's never divorced her.

"The Terri Schiavo case cannot be understood without … the background of hospice and the right-to-die movement," Panzer said. "She was placed [in hospice care] as a test case for the right-to-die movement to establish a legal precedent to end the lives of the disabled using hearsay evidence [about her end-of-life wishes], which is very common in hospice settings and in cases where one family member wishes to end the life of the patient."

http://www.lifenews.com/bio186.html


http://home.earthlink.net/~joyinlife/#Community-State_Partnerships

Third Way to Assisted Suicide?

How a handful of progressive foundations and quasi-government agencies
set out to provide equitable distribution of health care,
and in the process,
created a duty to die and a culture of death.
And how they hope to secure their legacy . . .


Featuring the collaboration of:
the Hastings Center, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF),
George Soros's Project on Death in America (PDIA), Institute of Medicine (IOM),
AARP, Choice in Dying, and a number of prestigious universities,
to name only a few.


2 posted on 03/24/2005 5:56:38 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Judge Greer supposedly has his problems with women. At the same time he's obviously gone head over heels over this strapping big younger man.

It's not inconceivable that there is a homosexual angle to this although no one has pursued that on any of the many threads devoted to this issue.

3 posted on 03/24/2005 5:57:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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One does have to wonder if Michael Schiavo has something on Greer. Greer seems to be his lapdog.


4 posted on 03/24/2005 6:01:10 PM PST by MisterRepublican (End Judicial Tyranny Now!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I have read ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, and CNN, and none of them give a clear picture of what is going on in Florida.
From this day forward, I will never trust one of them to tell the truth again.

No one questions even if Michael Schiavo has a right to the guardianship of Terri Schivo, since he has been cohabiting with another woman for many years, even has children by her, and he does have a clear conflict of interest here.
I feel that no adultereous husband or wife should have the right to put spouse to death. This is what is happening to Terri Schiavo, her adulterous husband is having her put to death slowly by starvation and dehydration. This is most cruel, and if done to a dog, it would be considered "cruelty to animals". But by killing Terri slowly, they can get away with it better than if it were a gun shot to the head, or a lethal injection, but murder is still murder, the fast way or the slow way.


5 posted on 03/24/2005 6:03:09 PM PST by tessalu ( A)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Terri is the canary, America is the coal mine.


6 posted on 03/24/2005 6:03:52 PM PST by Petronski (If Reichskanzler Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: combat_boots

An evil gordian knot: euthanasia-malthusianism-"Peak Oil" obsession-Gaia worship-secular humanism-genetic preselection-the death of marriage-the end of minimum age of consent-etc.


7 posted on 03/24/2005 6:05:48 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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Greer might be afraid of Schiavo. "Big Mike" is 6'-7". Greer the Rodent is probably afraid that if he rules against Schiavo, he'll get beaten up.
8 posted on 03/24/2005 6:07:09 PM PST by Regulator (Or Maybe Forcibly Starved to Death)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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9 posted on 03/24/2005 6:07:28 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Why didn't he order a lethal injection?


10 posted on 03/24/2005 6:08:22 PM PST by stevem
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You know in some twisted way I think they they believe that giving her a lethal injection would be killing her but somehow removing food and water is not, no it is "letting her die". These people are very twisted - completely lost in a sea of blackness.
11 posted on 03/24/2005 6:14:21 PM PST by blueriver
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To: muawiyah

That's a funny angle. The old "panties and bra under the black robe" type of guy.

Greer is so invested in this ordeal, he wouldn't reverse himself if Terri walked into court herself, and begged to be fed.

The Libs have now, in less than a decade, drilled it into a TV oriented youth that:

1. Oral sex is not sex.

2. It's ok to lie about sex and infidelity.

3. Gay is good. Any opinion to the contrary is evil.

4. Slowly starving a disabled person, is acceptable.

5. Starving to death is painless and "euphoric"

The list goes on, I think I'm gonna go and be sick now.


12 posted on 03/24/2005 6:14:37 PM PST by digger48
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To: digger48

13 posted on 03/24/2005 6:21:34 PM PST by pineconeland (Or dip a pinecone in melted suet, stuff with peanut butter, and hang from a tree.)
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To: stevem
Why didn't he order a lethal injection?

That would make sense, considering the object is Terri's death. But somehow "letting her die" through court ordered neglect sounds less like murder, or less like the execution that it is. Eventually, I expect we will cross that line to giving lethal injections to the sick and disabled. And that will inevitably open the doors to a whole new world of moral and ethical problems, making euthenasia too easy, too common, and too easily abused.

14 posted on 03/24/2005 6:23:09 PM PST by Sally II
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To: GOP_1900AD

From what I have read this evening, the sop is to deny water and then administer morphine to cause vomiting and hasten death. Please look at that timeline from my earthlink post. It has a F>c$ing CHART on it.

HOW DAMN EVIL IS IT TO TRY TO MAKE THIS WOMAN DIE ON GOOD FRIDAY? WITH THE CONSENT OF THE COURTS AND THE EXECUTIVE?

The last martyr......next the change of the Pope himself.


16 posted on 03/24/2005 6:27:13 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch.)
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Not only has he ordered the feeding tube removed, the real question is whether Greer has overstepped his authority by ordering that no one can give Terri food or water by mouth. This on the face of it cannot be legal and why George or Jeb Bush haven't blasted Greer out of that courtroom on this one I will never understand.

Food and water given by mouth are not life support or extraordinary means in any shape, form or fashion. No judge has the power to order a person be denied food and water by mouth. I defy anyone to show me a legal authority for such an abomination. Why is Jeb waiting? Has this specific facet of this case been challenged? If not, why not? Greer is only getting away with this because no one is standing up to him.

On other threads it has been stated that she is swallowing her own saliva and she may be able to take water and diluted food. A Harvard physician said in the Weekly standard that there is no medical, legal or ethical reason not to give her a chance to take nourishment and water by mouth. Judge Greer is wrong on this and why George or Jeb Bush haven't acted (she is in a federally financed and regulated hospice afterall) I cannot understand.

17 posted on 03/24/2005 6:38:05 PM PST by politeia
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To: Regulator
Greer might be afraid of Schiavo. "Big Mike" is 6'-7". Greer the Rodent is probably afraid that if he rules against Schiavo, he'll get beaten up.

You know what, I would challenge Mike Schiavo to a fight and if I beat him up, Terri will be fed and given back to her parents. It's a long shot though, I'm an uber-geek, terminally nearsighted, I'll be 39 in July, a bit on the stocky side and kind of on the short side at 5' 7.5." I'm not adept at fisticuffs at all although I can wrestle fairly well when I was in school and bullies picked on me and I had to fight back. I'd even go for a tag team option, if he has a buddy, I'll bring my grade school buddy I still hang with.
18 posted on 03/24/2005 6:47:41 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I hope you enjoyed your dinner, Terri Schiavo can't. B-()
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To: blueriver

"You know in some twisted way I think they they believe that giving her a lethal injection would be killing her but somehow removing food and water is not, no it is "letting her die". These people are very twisted - completely lost in a sea of blackness."

Well put. If you are complacent in a murder you are considered to had aided and abetted. This whole thing is a sad comment on the direction this country is headed.


19 posted on 03/24/2005 6:58:55 PM PST by truthluva
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This country is at the doorstep of a very dark place. I think we have been headed there for a long time.


20 posted on 03/24/2005 7:03:48 PM PST by blueriver
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