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GOP Senators Are Beyond Point Of No Return - (fighting liberals' Senate rules change)
MENS NEWS DAILY.COM ^ | MARCH 24, 2005 | CHRISTOPHER ADAMO

Posted on 03/23/2005 5:45:14 PM PST by freeholland

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To: Vicomte13
This is beyond religion. It has more to do with Constitutional fidelity and "oaths of office". I agree with all you say but it should apply to every Constitutional conservative in the nation, Christian or not.

If the spineless GOP leadership doesn't get the New England leftist Republicans in line on this issue, this old soldier is done at the voting booth for the foreseeable future.

41 posted on 03/24/2005 5:54:12 PM PST by ImpBill (Nothing More!)
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To: ImpBill

No one ever went broke betting on Republican cowardice.


42 posted on 03/24/2005 8:01:59 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: freeholland
The Republican Senators need to snap out of the McClellan syndrome
43 posted on 03/24/2005 8:49:54 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: westmichman
Just like how George B. McClellan was during the Civil War. He had a far superior Army, far superior number of troops that were well trained and supplied, but, still , he hesitated to move on Lincoln's orders to trounce the Confederates.
44 posted on 03/24/2005 8:54:35 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: freeholland

One of the biggest advantages of being the majority party should be the ability to get your judicial nominees approved. The Republicans who are against the nuclear option are being way too "fair". The Democrats are cutthroat: if they held the majority and the nuclear option was needed to get their judicial nominees thru, they'd use it in a heartbeat.

Maybe we should give the Democrats an ultimatum and a deadline---and then use the nuclear option if they don't comply. Maybe that would make some of the "wobbly" six or seven feel better about voting for it.


45 posted on 03/25/2005 1:58:18 AM PST by unfortunately a bluestater
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To: freeholland
Compare:

"The present philosophical war being waged here is not intended to decide the nature of our constitutional republic as being liberal or conservative, but will instead determine whether our constitutional republic, as envisioned by the founders, will prevail or fade into oblivion."   --Christopher Adamo, 2005

"Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure."   --Abraham Lincoln, 1863
--Boot Hill
46 posted on 03/25/2005 2:41:05 AM PST by Boot Hill ("...and Josuha went unto him and said: art thou for us, or for our adversaries?")
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To: westmichman
no matter how large of a majority we give Senate Republicans, they will still be afraid of Ted and Hitllery and the rest.

I don't think they're afraid in the way you mean.

I think almost all Senators are from the same class-after they leave home, they go to elite schools, they imbibe elitist doctrine, and they are therefore secularists and moral relativists.

When they go back home, in order to become Senators, they have to fit in with the People.

In red states, this means they have to be verbally committed to the life/natural rights agenda.

In the glory days of the Republican minority, this presented no problem to them, because their was no chance that their advocacy of their constituents "simplified" beliefs could lead to a concrete result.

Now, however, nothing stands in the way of the national GOP agenda-except for the reluctant dragons of the Senate GOP "majority".

Many of them need to be replaced.

49 posted on 03/25/2005 4:05:36 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble
I think almost all Senators are from the same class-after they leave home, they go to elite schools, they imbibe elitist doctrine, and they are therefore secularists and moral relativists

You _know_ that--because it is the simple truth. :-)

They have too much to lose (material wealth, social status) to take risks.

Upton Sinclair, an old socialist, explained it this way:

If you are... (a senator-cgbg)... you belong to the ruling class of your community. You are invited to a place of prominence on all public occasions; your voice is heard whenever you choose to lift it...You will float upon a wave of prosperity, and in this prosperity all your family will share; your sons will have careers open to them, your wife and your daughters will move in the "best society".

All this, of course, provided that you stand in with the powers that be, and play the game according to their rules. If by any chance you interfere with them, if you break the rules, then instantly in a thousand forms you feel the pressure of their displeasure. You are "cut" at the clubs, your sons and daughters are not invited to parties, you find your domestic happiness has become dependent upon your converting your whole family to your strange new revolutionary whim.

50 posted on 03/25/2005 4:32:49 AM PST by cgbg (Fire the Trustees of the Social Security Trust Fund with no money in it!)
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To: Milhous

"Make recalcitrant Republicans pay a political price."

Add Frist, Lindsey Graham and Trent Lott to that list. What good are they?


51 posted on 03/25/2005 5:06:39 AM PST by Frank T
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To: Blood of Tyrants

"There are six Republican senators who are either against changing the rules or are not solidly for it...Without the support of at least two of the six (51 votes required to change the rules), the rule change will fail and the liberals will win. Frist will not bring it up for a vote until he knows what the outcome will be."

And that would be a mistake on Frist's part. By pushing for such an amendment and flushing out the Benedict Arnold Republican Senators, that would help the party in the future. How can the base correct the problem if it is not made aware of who the weak links are in the party?

And this guy thinks he can be President in '08?


52 posted on 03/25/2005 5:10:41 AM PST by Frank T
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To: Vicomte13

"As it is, the Republicans have passed their ENTIRE economic agenda, and have wavered on the ONLY part of their agenda that is truly pro-life: the nuclear option."

They have achieved their economic agenda, while America is still a welfare state? And with the largest federal government in history? You must have an interesting set of measures.


53 posted on 03/25/2005 5:20:06 AM PST by Frank T
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To: turboknight

actually, Republicans filibustered many of Bill Clintons Judicial Nominees.



Yeah, then he appointed them anyway when congress was not in session, followed by pardoning all his criminal friends before he left office.
Whose side are you on Mr. 03/25/05?


54 posted on 03/25/2005 5:22:58 AM PST by westmichman (Pray for global warming. Friend of Ronnie -(stolen from The Patriot))
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To: Leatherneck_MT

"It's quickly becoming apparent that the only option we have left to stave off judicial tyranny is the 2nd Amendment."

That's what it's there for.


55 posted on 03/25/2005 5:37:48 AM PST by Frank T
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To: McGavin999

"Let me ask you a question. If over 2000 years ago, you could have saved Christ from being hung on a cross, that precious life, would you have done it? What would have been the result then?

"Sometimes God wants us to see bigger things."

The political nature of government is to achieve the platform of its constituency.

If the Party fails that, it is *not* entitled to its base.

Bush can achieve both activist foreign policy *and* providing the leadership and bully pulpit work needed to get pro-life judges through.

It's *not* a one of the other proposition. And you should know better.


56 posted on 03/25/2005 5:44:56 AM PST by Frank T
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To: Frank T

I would say that our "men in black robes" are America's version of Iran's mullahs.


57 posted on 03/25/2005 6:18:52 AM PST by westmichman (Pray for global warming. Friend of Ronnie -(stolen from The Patriot))
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

Almost akin to the French.


58 posted on 03/25/2005 6:27:08 AM PST by ImpBill (Nothing More!)
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To: freeholland

BTTT This is probably one of the most important discussions I've seen on FR in a while!


59 posted on 03/25/2005 6:29:44 AM PST by westmichman (Pray for global warming. Friend of Ronnie -(stolen from The Patriot))
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To: westmichman

"I would say that our "men in black robes" are America's version of Iran's mullahs."

Civilised government is established with the consent of the governed. If the various branches begin to act outside of this consent, on a major and persistent basis, they are acting contrary to their duties.

What then for the progressive left to do? Expand "the governed." No longer are American justices (and the Democrat party) working for Americans, but they are World Citizens, and must respect a new covenant.

This can all get real ugly. And if it does, you can bet people will be looking in history books about this old party called the Republicans.


60 posted on 03/25/2005 6:32:42 AM PST by Frank T
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