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Posted on 03/23/2005 2:10:04 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
They need to log that time against the conversion costs. That being said, the costs shouldn't be much higher than were required of corporate users when they had to convert from Word Perfect to Word when Novell bought Word Perfect and proceeded to run it into the ground.
Wanna be Penguified? On or off, hit me!
Got root?
Novell bought WordPerfect. At the time WP was the best wordprocessing software. Novell didn't update it, and allowed it to sink into near obscurity, as MS moved and promoted Word.
IIRC, Novell also bought PC Tools, an excellent DOS-based tuning utility program. PC Tools no longer exists.
Novell pushing Linux? Look out Linux!!!!
Fortunately for Linux, its a much larger movement than Novell. Even if Novell manages to shoot itself in the foot once again, this migration will have proved an important point. Linux will continue to live on, in spite of Novell.
No, I believe the Novell fiasco's with WP is far behind them. Norda's gone, and the new players want to win with this.
Also consider that Novell is pushing and IBM is pushing Linux and they are partners in other areas.
I'd say look out M$. 6K desktops at $200 a pop, $1.2M in savings.
I tried that there linux once and my computer blew up and killed my dog. It's not ready for prime time! The Chinese use it! Linus Torvalds is a commie! To be safe, everyone should buy and install Microsoft® Windows.
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I wasn't pleased with Suse 9.2 pro, I couldn't get the networking working correctly. I went back to Mandrake.
I wasn't pleased with Suse 9.2 pro, I couldn't get the networking working correctly. I went back to Mandrake.
Glad to see you're finally coming around Nick!
;-)
The downside is that their established base in the field consists of Novell file and print servers and Windows desktops. They've gone an amazing job of integrating Linux with Netware (OES is spooky-cool) but that's server side. What will make them or break them is penetration into the business office distribution, and that is a notoriously conservative market. It is also Microsoft's jugular vein, and Bill's boys won't be taking that lying down.
Like a ripe plum they will foo into our hands.
Didn't take the 6.x test last year because I hadn't had any Novell clients for at least a year, they had all switched over to MS Servers.
Novell File & Print servers were great, they ran twice as fast on half the hardware, rarely crashed or had to be rebooted, and it didn't matter what desktop client you used.
Novell Directory Service (NDS) was a true innovation. The behind-the-scenes technical aspects blew me away when I went through the training. It took years for Microsoft to mimic (steal) NDS and come out with Active Directory.
I think what killed Novell was the email client, Groupwise. Outlook was just much better (at least that was the customer perception).
That plus Marketing. I used to get so pissed off when Microsoft was advertising like heck and I'd NEVER see a Novell ad.
Also, I think the top management was screwed up (I think they went through a couple of bleeped up CEOs).
Over 7 years, I figure I got my 6K initial training investment back (more if you count ongoing recertification training).
It just pisses off that I'm going to have to spend another 6K (or more now) to get my Microsoft certification (MCSE) in what I see as an inferior product.
It's going to be like going back to grammar school after a great summer vacation. Sucks to be me.
That's really odd, I didn't have any problems with it, and my enthernet adapters are dual built in gigabits on an Asus motherboard.
Oh and the machine I put SuSE was an upgrade from Mandrake 10.x. I have two other Mandrake systems to upgrade. I like SuSE much better than Mandrake.
Indeed NDS was (IS) a marvel, and despite M$' best effots, still blows Active Directory out of the water. Add to that that they've ported it to Linux and it just keeps getting better.
And yes, Norda (I actually have a hand signed - not stamped - training cert from Norda) in his later years and the few that followed afterwards did not do Novell right, but I believe that current management has things in perspective; they still have a few billion in cash to play with, and have a very good working partnership with IBM that will do them, and the IT community/industry well.
Microsoft migrated hotmail.com off FreeBSD and onto Windows 2000 Server after they acquired them. Big whoop!
MS will have to "look out" when Novell hires all of Microsoft's marketing department. FAT CHANCE of that happening.
To me, the most interesting items were factual rejection of various FUD put forth by many here. A couple are it's not practical to switch, switching costs will be so high that you'll not save any money. But my favorite absolutely shot down here was the training, measured in mere hours.
Thanks for the "writing on the wall" ping. ;')
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It'll never work! They're all commies!