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Researchers help define what makes a political conservative (barf alert)
UC BERKELEY ^ | 22 July 2003 | Kathleen Maclay

Posted on 03/23/2005 9:13:20 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks

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1 posted on 03/23/2005 9:13:28 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Fear and aggression; Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity; Uncertainty avoidance; Need for cognitive closure

In the case of men: testicles

And in the case of women: liking them.

2 posted on 03/23/2005 9:16:40 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Ah, an oldie, but goodie.


3 posted on 03/23/2005 9:16:46 AM PST by aynrandfreak (If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Hitler, Mussolini, and former President Ronald Reagan were individuals, but all were right-wing conservatives because they preached a return to an idealized past and condoned inequality in some form.

LOL!

I can't believe this " " research " " is to intended to be taken seriously.

4 posted on 03/23/2005 9:17:54 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

They forgot common sense.

The road to hell was paved by Berkeley professors.


5 posted on 03/23/2005 9:18:27 AM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Three of the characteristics:

intolerance of ambiguity
Uncertainty avoidance
Need for cognitive closure

I'm a little uncertain here, maybe the wording is ambiguous, but aren't these the same thing, said three different ways?

But, my favorite bit is where the writer classified Stalin as a Conservative. That takes cajones.

6 posted on 03/23/2005 9:18:45 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: aynrandfreak

"A Conservative is someone who holds on to the best of the past while being open to the best of the future"

From my push card when I ran for State Rep.


7 posted on 03/23/2005 9:19:10 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

...liberals appear to have a higher tolerance for change than conservatives do.

 

Yeah, like sheep.


8 posted on 03/23/2005 9:20:12 AM PST by Fintan (Someday we'll look back on this moment and plow into a parked car.)
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To: lentulusgracchus; EdReform; scripter; Bryan
Had the displeasure of listening to Janeane Garofalo, on Scair America, last night read this. If you don't think the APA, a supposed "scientific" organization, doesn't have an agenda against conservatives...well here's proof. So many sampling flaws it's hardly worth discussing.
9 posted on 03/23/2005 9:21:02 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I believe I've seen this article before, under the title "When Stupid People Learn Big Words and Start Bloviating on Issues They have No Comprehension of."


10 posted on 03/23/2005 9:21:33 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (He's (Bush) ruining everything we worked for. ~Aging communist, who lives at a "Red" nursing home.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
These people believe that to be sure of something is an indication of defective thinking. They distrust clarity; the idea that some things are "right" and some are "wrong" makes them uncomfortable.

Even more remarkable is that they believe their philosophy gives them a coherent model for understanding reality.

I, on the other hand, believe that all their pseudo-intellectual drivel reduces to a simple, well-worn concept: Ignorance is Strength.

(steely)

11 posted on 03/23/2005 9:22:01 AM PST by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

So how much did the Federal government/we pay for this "research"?

I continue to be amazed at the utter ignorance of these left-wing "researchers"? Hitler and Mussolini (the leaders of their respective country's national SOCIALIST movements) were right-wing conservatives?

Words fail me...


12 posted on 03/23/2005 9:23:01 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired...)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Disparate conservatives share a resistance to change and acceptance of inequality

The proper response every time the communist left tries this trick is to demand from them that they acknowledge that equality by forced outcomes is only and necessarily obtainable by unequal treatment of individuals. Do not yield on this point. Every person has equal rights under the law, what they chose to do with those rights will determine their life's path, its up to them, nobody else. I refuse to let them pervert the definition of liberty and equality!

13 posted on 03/23/2005 9:24:15 AM PST by Archon of the East (The Constitution is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

The laws of science, like history, continue to be rewritten by politically correct thinking. Karl Marx argued that 2+2 only equals 4 when good solid Marxist logic is applied-there's IS no reality outside of politics. This is a line of thinking that leads to ideas such as equality means the slaughter of innocents and the Final Solution. Along with morality, ethics, religion and compassion, the left now labors to discredit science. Ignorance is Strength.


14 posted on 03/23/2005 9:25:01 AM PST by Spok
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To: wideawake
Hitler, Mussolini, and former President Ronald Reagan SNIP

> I can't believe this "research" is to intended to be taken seriously.

That's the point at which I stopped reading the article. To say that conservatives fit into some kind of psychological profile is nonsense.

15 posted on 03/23/2005 9:25:40 AM PST by cloud8
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To: ManHunter
So how much did the Federal government/we pay for this "research"?

1.2 million

16 posted on 03/23/2005 9:26:18 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"We are great.  We are free.  We are wonderful.  We are the most wonderful people in all the jungle!  We all say so, and so it must be true." -- the "Bandar-log" monkeys in Rudyard Kipling's The Jungle Book.
 
Berserk in Berserkely: Confusing Reagan and Hitler (!)
by Rick Gaber 

A bunch of Berkeley professors have made attempts (documented here) to link some of America's most effective advocates of limited government, communication and persuasion with some of history's worst advocates of huge all-powerful government, coercion and brutality.  What this demonstrates is that the lunatic left remains just as psychotic and hostile -- and dangerous -- as were the Rosenbergs and other home-grown spies of the 1940s (whose bizarre delusions let them think that they were saving the world from an evil American "Naziism" by giving our nuclear secrets to those virtuous, benevolent Soviet Russians). 

While pretending to be just as critical of liberals and socialists, these pathetic "intellectuals" demonstrate how ridiculous they are by confusing  psychopathic control freaks such as Hitler and Mussolini with warm-hearted, easy-going live-and-let-livers such as Ronald Reagan.  Only hate-filled psychotics as intensely uptight and humorless as Hitler and Mussolini themselves could be so psychologically incapable of telling the difference.  As Bret Stevens has said in another context, "This style of hyperbole is a symptom of madness, because it displays such palpable disconnect from observable reality."  But it doesn't stop there; they even try to to "prove" (?) their absurd assertions of the alleged similarity by trying to build a case that they all belong in what they postulate as a "right-wing conservative" category "because they preached a return to an idealized past and condoned inequality in some form."*  How vague, how feeble, how pitiful can you get? 

More importantly, they're showing how desperately they want public policy discussions to leave no room whatsoever for pro-liberty limited-government advocacy -- since they need so badly for the choices to be strictly limited to variations of authoritarianism ('ours' or 'theirs' -- socialism or fascism), the only way the socialism they advocate can be presented in what they apparently believe to be a relatively favorable light.

Their strained attempts to find traits which European dictators and American conservatives have in common are as laughable as those found in "Paint Their Swastika Green" by Brien Bartels (posted here).  However, the alleged "intolerance for ambiguity and or need for closure", for example, while presented as a conservative trait, should more appropriately be applied to "liberals" and other socialists whose pathological fear of liberty and free markets in general rests on a fundamental terror of the spontaneous order where (horrors!) "no one is in charge." 

The Psychological Association, in giving them any credence at all, is saying in effect, "Beware!  Our profession is chock full of nuts!" 

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See  http://FreedomKeys.com/kneejerk2.htm  HERE -- which includes a link to an excellent article on the absurdity of trying to distinguish fascists from other socialists

And see  http://FreedomKeys.com/collectivism.htm  HERE -- which demonstrates how all the different control freaks belong in the control freak category and that your political choices and standards of ethics are not limited to varieties of control freaks and their rationales

Find "There is something profoundly immoral for a latte-sipping, upscale Westerner of the postmodern age flippantly evoking Hitler when we think of the countless souls lost to the historical record who were systematically starved and gassed in the factories of death of the Third Reich." at http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson031805.html HERE -- where the Hitlerian slur is deconstructed.

Also see  http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/whoismoredangerous.shtml HERE -- "Who Is the More Dangerous Enemy? The Terrorists -- Or Our College Professors?"
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  "Market bashers ... might understand the claim that in some particular field, markets required no intervention--though they'd be skeptical--but the notion that, on general principle, complex systems ran themselves just fine without benign intervention seemed like it could only be the product of a quasi-religious faith. ... Of course, this gets things almost precisely backwards. It is the idea that all order must be explained by a functioning mind at the helm, not its denial, that has the closet affinity to the religious instinct." -- Julian Sanchez 

  "Not understanding the process of a spontaneously-ordered economy goes hand-in-hand with not understanding the creation of resources and wealth." -- Julian Simon

"Half a century of economic experimentation proved beyond doubt that tyranny cannot yield prosperity. ... Socialism collapsed because it is a policy of unrestrained intervention.  It tries to fix what is 'wrong' with the spontaneous, self-organizing phenomenon called capitalism.  But, of course, a natural process cannot be 'fixed.' ... Socialism is an ideology. Capitalism is a natural phenomenon." -- Michael Rothschild in BIONOMICS: Economy as Ecosystem

  "Anything other than free enterprise always means a society of compulsion and lower living standards, and any form of socialism strictly enforced means dictatorship and the total state.  That this statement is still widely disputed only illustrates the degree to which malignant fantasy can capture the imagination of intellectuals." -- Lew Rockwell

   "If concern for human poverty and suffering were one's primary motive, one would seek to discover their cause.  One would not fail to ask : Why did some nations develop, while others did not?  Why have some nations achieved material abundance, while others have remained stagnant in sub-human misery?  History and specifically the unprecedented prosperity-explosion of the 19th century would give an immediate answer : capitalism is the only system that enables men to produce abundance - and the key to capitalism is individual freedom." -- Ayn Rand, "Requiem for Man", Chapter 24 of Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal

*   "From the fact that people are very different it follows that, if we treat them equally, the result must be inequality in their actual position, and that the only way to place them in an equal position would be to treat them differently.  Equality before the law and material equality are therefore not only different but are in conflict with each other; and we can achieve either one or the other, but not both at the same time." -- F. A. Hayek 

   "Machan shines as he exposes embarrassing contradictions of egalitarianism.  Example: 'If welfare and equality are to be primary aims of law, some people must necessarily possess a greater power of coercion in order to force redistribution of material goods.  Political power alone should be equal among human beings; yet, striving for other kinds of equality absolutely requires political inequality.'" -- from Jim Powell's Review of  Private Rights and PublicIllusions  by Tibor Machan. 

   "Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -- Milton Friedman 

   "Control freaks who sneer at people who have 'faith' in the free market must be fantasizing an allegedly 'higher' political end than freedom." -- Rick Gaber 

   "Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end." --Prof. John E. E. D. Acton

   "There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men." -- Prof. John E. E. D. Acton

   "So many idealistic political movements for a better world have ended in mass-murdering dictatorships. Giving leaders enough power to create 'social justice' is giving them enough power to destroy all justice, all freedom, and all human dignity." -- Thomas Sowell

  "People who are very aware that they have more knowledge than the average person are often very unaware that they do not have one-tenth of the knowledge of all of the average persons put together. In this situation, for the intelligentsia to impose their notions on ordinary people is essentially to impose ignorance on knowledge." -- Dr. Thomas Sowell

  "Most modern intellectuals congratulate themselves for having achieved the allegedly momentus insight that capitalism and altruism are ultimately incompatible.  Yet they're still too damned ignorant to realize, or too damned stubborn to acknowledge, that altruism is definitely NOT the only moral code available to mankind; it is, in fact, the bloodiest and most regressive one of all.  Such stunted thinking on the part of the intelligentsia has resulted in their committing the intellectual atrocity of rejecting the capitalism and freedom instead of the altruism and coercion." -- Rick Gaber

  "The primary motive of modern intellectuals who advocate various forms of dictatorship is not concern for human poverty and suffering; it is the preservation of the ancient moral code of altruism, with emphasis on demanded sacrifices and on securing for themselves positions to prescribe the sacrifices, if not personally doing the demanding." -- Rick Gaber 

   "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule" -- H. L. Mencken 

   "The secret dread of modern intellectuals, liberals and conservatives alike, the unadmitted terror at the root of their anxiety, which all of their current irrationalities are intended to stave off and to disguise, is the unstated knowledge that Soviet Russia [was] the full, actual, literal, consistent embodiment of the morality of altruism, that Stalin did not corrupt a noble ideal, that this is the only way altruism has to be or can ever be practiced." -- Ayn Rand

   "There are some modern intellectuals, especially among those coddled at Berkeley, who do not in the least apologize for the thousands, even millions, of murders perpetrated by Stalin, Mao or  Castro.  Indeed, they defend them as 'necessary' to this day.  Don't think for a moment that they no longer work to destroy free lives, free minds and free markets." -- Rick Gaber 

   "The most ridiculous, most despicable of all con artists are those pompous, condescending, so-called 'intellectuals' who purport to use the intellect to 'prove' the worthlessness of human intelligence -- and thereby, of the intellect.  They don't even seem to realize all they're doing is admitting their own self-negation in the most pathetic way possible, in public, to all but the most gullible." -- Rick Gaber 

   "Left-wing historians' sympathy for American communism is an example of ideological bias and self-deception comparable to Holocaust denial, according to [Haynes and Klehr, in their new book, In Denial: Historians, Communism, and Espionage ]." -- Publishers Weekly
 
   "The triumph of persuasion over force is the sign of a civilized society."-- Plato (427-347 BC).
   "In a republican nation whose citizens are to be led by reason and persuasion and not by force, the art of reasoning becomes of first importance." --Thomas Jefferson, 1824 
   "There are only two means by which men can deal with one another: guns or logic.  Force or persuasion.  Those who know that they cannot win by means of logic, have always resorted to guns." -- Ayn Rand
    "Now the intercourse between individuals and between social groups takes one of these two forms: force or persuasion. Commerce is the great example of intercourse by way of persuasion. War, slavery, and governmental compulsion exemplify the reign of force." -- Alfred North Whitehead


   "[T]he most fundamental objection to draft registration is moral; [a] draft or draft registration destroys the very values that our society is committed to defending." and "[The draft] rests on the assumption that your kids belong to the state.... That assumption isn't a new one. The Nazis thought it was a great idea." -- Ronald Reagan

-- all from http://FreedomKeys.com/berkeley.htm

17 posted on 03/23/2005 9:26:55 AM PST by FreeKeys (Leave the 'rats alone to marinate in their own delusions.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

"meta-analytic calculations"? Yeah, right...


18 posted on 03/23/2005 9:27:31 AM PST by Clioman
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To: Clint N. Suhks

"Concerns with fear and threat, likewise, can be linked to a second key dimension of conservatism - an endorsement of inequality, a view reflected in the Indian caste system, South African apartheid"......Robert Byrd, Al Gore's dad, Boston busing protests....


19 posted on 03/23/2005 9:27:44 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: massgopguy

> From my push card when I ran for State Rep.

Tilting at windmills?

:-)

Seriously, thanks for running.


20 posted on 03/23/2005 9:29:25 AM PST by cloud8
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