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Unspeakable Conversations
New York Times Magazine ^ | 2/16/2003 | Harriet McBryde Johnson

Posted on 03/23/2005 8:56:08 AM PST by mathprof

He insists he doesn't want to kill me. He simply thinks it would have been better, all things considered, to have given my parents the option of killing the baby I once was, and to let other parents kill similar babies as they come along and thereby avoid the suffering that comes with lives like mine and satisfy the reasonable preferences of parents for a different kind of child. It has nothing to do with me. I should not feel threatened.

Whenever I try to wrap my head around his tight string of syllogisms, my brain gets so fried it's . . . almost fun. Mercy! It's like ''Alice in Wonderland.''

It is a chilly Monday in late March, just less than a year ago. I am at Princeton University. My host is Prof. Peter Singer, often called -- and not just by his book publicist -- the most influential philosopher of our time. He is the man who wants me dead. No, that's not at all fair. He wants to legalize the killing of certain babies who might come to be like me if allowed to live. He also says he believes that it should be lawful under some circumstances to kill, at any age, individuals with cognitive impairments so severe that he doesn't consider them ''persons.'' What does it take to be a person? Awareness of your own existence in time. The capacity to harbor preferences as to the future, including the preference for continuing to live.

(Excerpt) Read more at racematters.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bioethics; disability; disabilityrights; petersinger
Although this article is two years old, I think it is quite relevant to what's going on with Terri Schiavo.

From the NYT article:

Q: Was it emotionally difficult for you to take part in a public discussion of whether your life should have happened?

A: It was very difficult. And horribly easy.

Q: Did he get that job at Princeton because they like his ideas on killing disabled babies?

A: It apparently didn't hurt, but he's most famous for animal rights. He's the author of ''Animal Liberation.''

Q: How can he put so much value on animal life and so little value on human life?

That last question is the only one I avoid. I used to say I don't know; it doesn't make sense. But now I've read some of Singer's writing, and I admit it does make sense -- within the conceptual world of Peter Singer. But I don't want to go there. Or at least not for long.

1 posted on 03/23/2005 8:56:10 AM PST by mathprof
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To: mathprof

Save the whales, Abort the Babies! Go liberals!


2 posted on 03/23/2005 9:23:40 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Journalists are not very bright, and invariably subscribe to a litany of dubious theories!)
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To: mathprof
I think Singer's title is "Professor of Ethics" at the "Center For Human Values".

Yeah, sure he is.

3 posted on 03/23/2005 9:25:22 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Reporter)
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To: mathprof
I have met some who share Singer's outlook on "life". I can't really discuss the issues with them, we have so different of outlooks that our world views don't line up at all.
4 posted on 03/23/2005 9:26:01 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: .cnI redruM

"He simply thinks it would have been better, all things considered, to have given my parents the option of killing the baby I once was...he seems entirely sincere."

I suppose one could have had stimulating conversations with the likes of Goebbels and Mengele, too, and they were probably every bit as sincere as Singer. That does not mean that the whole lot of them aren't unspeakably evil. I'd include George Greer in this group as well, but I doubt if he'd be sincere.


5 posted on 03/23/2005 9:35:55 AM PST by beelzepug (Parking For Witches Only--All Others Will Be Toad.)
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To: redgolum
That's why St. Michael didn't bother to chat with Satan - he just cast him out of Heaven tout suite.
6 posted on 03/23/2005 9:36:43 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: mathprof
DemocRATs and RINOs have carefully selected the hill they want to die on:

Mt. Schaivo, or Hill No. 2008!

7 posted on 03/23/2005 9:38:47 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal Today)
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To: mathprof
This is a remarkable article, about a remarkable woman and lawyer. I wasn't going to read it to the end, but it was too compelling not to read the entire piece. Thank you for posting this.

Because the author is perceptive and tries to be fair even to the harshest opponent, this article even gives a reasonable understanding of the views of Peter Singer. I share the thoughts of those on the thread who quarrel the label of Professor of Ethics to Singer, who denies the basis of all human ethics.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Condi Rice & Pierce Flanigan's Father's Hat"

8 posted on 03/23/2005 10:08:30 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Proud to be a FORMER member of the Bar of the US Supreme Court since July, 2004.)
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To: mathprof; Congressman Billybob; JesseHousman; wideawake; beelzepug; redgolum; Doctor Raoul; ...

As I see it, this woman's fundamental weakness is that she is an atheist lefty as well, and prey to the same emotional deficiencies as Singer and his ilk. In the conversation with her sister Beth, she give the impression of being seriously weak on her history not to mention her knowledge of what's really going on elsewhere in the world. In the end she falls back on her childish conviction that it can't happen here, even as it is happening (once more) in Europe. How many people are there in Holland in motorized wheelchairs?

Singer's the idea man and she lets his personal charm fool her into thinking that no violence can come of his ideas. The nazi philosophers and eugenicists (and I include Margaret Sanger, a woman she no doubt won't hear a word against, among their number) did not personally kill anyone. It's a multi-stage process from philospher to policy-makers, judges, medical societies, etc. to street-level executioners.

All the Terri-snuffers I've been hearing on the airwaves start off by assuming and projecting to beat the band. So much has come out, mainly in the new media, about the suspicious circumstances of Terri's initial injury. The shocking neglect of her basic care, let alone therapy, over the years (she has never even had a MRI or PET scan, for instance) all at the insistance of husband Michael. He who, according to that nurse who was all over FOX and the talk shows who (tried) to care for her in '95-'96 behaved outrageously towards Terri for all but the first two years; that I do not consider wanting to take a closer look at this case as the knee-jerk attitude of a christian fundamentalist by any means. The highly irregular conduct of his co-conspirator Judge Greer is also noteworthy.

I'm with Rush and co. in anticipating this becomes another watershed event in turning the tide against the lib/dems and the blackrobes. I don't hold with the polls the MSM is waving that we all want Terri dead.


9 posted on 03/23/2005 10:25:28 AM PST by sinanju
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I was struck by the author's conversation with her sister also. I recently finished the book "War Against the Weak", about Eugenics. From the head of the US Eugenics movement to the doctors at the concentration camps, it was never just about cruelty for cruelties sake. They had a goal.

Himmler met with a group of SS guards who had lost their nerve once, and reminded them that they were doing this "sacrifice" so that all the little children might have a world without disability, sickness, or those who might trouble society. When one becomes enamored of men like Singer, is good to realize that many of the actors in the tragedy that became the Holocaust were also "good" men who were trying to build a better future. Like all Utopian ideals, that future had to come at the cost of millions of lives.

That is what I fear about Terri's plight. This is not about shutting down a respirator, this is about starving a women, loved by her parents, to death. It is about what we as a society value more, life or connivance.

Unfortunately I know the answer to that. I can see it in the statistics. We as a society value connivance well beyond life. We want it all, and don't want to share with those who can't help themselves. We want to live lives of luxury until the point where we might have to suffer, and then we want die in a way of our own choosing. We want, in short, what sinful man has always wanted. We want complete control, we want to be like God.

I fear that we as a society are closer to Auschwitz than Calvary this Easter.
10 posted on 03/23/2005 10:56:11 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: sinanju

"I'm...anticipating this becomes another watershed event in turning the tide against the lib/dems and the blackrobes."

You make good observations. The multi-stage process is why Col. Eichmann reasoned that he hadn't killed anyone, he simply scheduled the trains and passed along papers. He still ended up with a noose around his neck. That, unfortunately, will not be happening this time.


11 posted on 03/23/2005 11:18:04 AM PST by beelzepug (Parking For Witches Only--All Others Will Be Toad.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

I wrote about Peter Singer years ago, saying he held the "Josef Mengele Chair of Bioethics" at Princeton.


12 posted on 03/24/2005 8:46:20 AM PST by Ziva (Steve Lonegan for NJ Governor (lonegan.com))
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