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Light may arise from relativity violations
Indiana University ^
| 22 March 2005
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Posted on 03/22/2005 3:40:06 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
A better title would seem to be "Light may arise from relativity aberrations" or maybe "Light may arise from relativity exceptions" or perhaps "Light may arise from relativity distortions"..
Whatever the means by which light arises it cannot be a 'violation' of something which doesn't exist, even if it were recently thought to exist. That assumes the experiments bear out this theory.
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posted on
03/22/2005 4:24:36 PM PST
by
AntiGuv
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To: PatrickHenry
Hmmm.. I think "relativity fluctuations" would work best of all. Yup!
Although some while ago I was very sternly told there could be no such thing..
Will be quite intriguing to see how the experiments turn out.
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posted on
03/22/2005 4:35:23 PM PST
by
AntiGuv
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To: PatrickHenry; hchutch
Light may arise from relativity violations"Intergalactic Physics Patrol. Do you know why I pulled you over, sir? You made a relativity violation going past that wormhole over yonder. Boy, yo's in a heap'o trouble."
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posted on
03/22/2005 4:37:38 PM PST
by
Poohbah
(If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
To: PatrickHenry
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posted on
03/22/2005 4:53:10 PM PST
by
AntiGuv
(™)
To: PatrickHenry
Hmmm, that kind of puts a bit of daring in an otherwise mundane activity when now I will be sending out my monthly violations of relativity payment instead of the light bill ;-)
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posted on
03/22/2005 4:57:21 PM PST
by
varon
(Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
To: PatrickHenry
A little light reading, huh?
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posted on
03/22/2005 5:02:53 PM PST
by
Junior
(FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
To: PatrickHenry
ooooohhhhhh Kaaaayyyy
So then my lamp which is sitting right next to me is just one continuous string of infinitesimal relativity violations giving rise to my ability to see my keyboard as I type.
Also, when my cellphone rings and lights up indicating that it's ringing, the light emitted is also a relativity violation.
Well.
It's all relative.
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posted on
03/22/2005 5:21:19 PM PST
by
roaddog727
(The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
To: PatrickHenry
A timely article for me. I'm in the middle of an engineering physics II class and we were discussing the nature of light just a few days ago. I actually laughed out load (LOL) when the professor gave a lecture on the quantum theory of light "generation". I'll answer appropriately on the test but I'm not buying any ridiculous theories about anti-electrons traveling backwards through time and interacting with "regular" electrons traveling forwards through time. God I love college...
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posted on
03/22/2005 5:24:32 PM PST
by
IYAAYAS
(Live free or die trying)
To: PatrickHenry
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posted on
03/22/2005 5:32:28 PM PST
by
P.O.E.
To: PatrickHenry
My knee-jerk reaction is that I don't buy it. Electromagnetism can be described by a quantum field, but there exist other forces that can also be described by different quantum fields. So what makes the undulation of the electromagnetic field--light, in a word--so "privileged" with respect to the Lorentz symmetry, but not the undulations of those other fields, which otherwise seem to be on an equal philosophical footing? It doesn't sound right.
To: PatrickHenry
Is light the absence of darkness?Or is darkness the absence of light?Are either physical or tangible?
Do I have any idea what I`m talking about?That is the only one I can answer.
No,but thought it might sound interesting.
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posted on
03/22/2005 5:40:14 PM PST
by
carlr
To: PatrickHenry
Time to go back and review all four of Michaelson-Moreley's experiments. Differences in effects depending on which direction earth is headed?
Last time I even heard about ether was when I had my tonsils out.
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posted on
03/22/2005 5:43:28 PM PST
by
DBrow
To: IYAAYAS
I'll answer appropriately on the test but I'm not buying any ridiculous theories about anti-electrons traveling backwards through time and interacting with "regular" electrons traveling forwards through time.The universe is the way that it is, and not how you would wish it to be.
The idea can be made to sound ridiculous, but think of it this way. You have an electron going from point A to point B. You wish to calculate the measurable quantities associated with that propagation. So you do something very simple: you take every possible path from A to B, including those that go backwards in time, and you add them together with a very simple weighting scheme, and it gives you answers that are experimentally true to more than ten decimal places. You may not like it, but there's got to be something deep to it, for an idea that simple to work that well.
To: LibWhacker
. . . described light as "a shimmering of ever-present vectors in empty space" . . .
Vectors (and matrices) were ever-present in grad school and I never saw 'em shimmer.
Light is Jello?
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posted on
03/22/2005 5:55:18 PM PST
by
tet68
( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
To: Physicist
Then could we use that interaction between backward flowing and forward flowing particles to peer into our future, or at least tease some information about the future out of it?
To: PatrickHenry
I don't think I am stupid. But when I try to understand an article like this, I feel stupid.
In my tiny little brain, light has always just been the continuation of the electromagnetic scale that starts with ELF, goes up thru the AM band and FM band and through the microwave band to the infrared band and at some point the same sort of waves become visible to our eyes, then become ultraviolet, then gamma, etc.
That may or may not be accurate in any way, but it is what I have always thought.
Now I feel stupid. Maybe I should be voting Democrat.
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posted on
03/22/2005 6:07:07 PM PST
by
spodefly
(This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
To: LibWhacker
Then could we use that interaction between backward flowing and forward flowing particles to peer into our future, or at least tease some information about the future out of it?No, because information isn't contained in the particles themselves, but in the patterns in which they're arranged, and those patterns only travel forwards in time, from our point of view.
To: Physicist
If your electron is moving toward point B traveling at c the period of each possible path would have to vary between -infinity and +infinity assuming c is constant. It seems to me the probabilities would converge on the straight line path. I understand the calculus of the improper integral you're talking about, but I'm not sure about the premise of the function.
Thanks for explaining this in more detail. Is this the theory accepted by physicists right now? I assumed when I first heard this it was some off the wall new theory.
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posted on
03/22/2005 6:12:23 PM PST
by
IYAAYAS
(Live free or die trying)
To: Physicist
>No, because information isn't contained in the particles themselves, but in the patterns in which they're arranged, and those patterns only travel forwards in time, from our point of view.
As importantly, you all going to come down here on the 7th and explain this to us?
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posted on
03/22/2005 6:13:50 PM PST
by
GopherIt
To: Physicist
but there's got to be something deep to it, for an idea that simple to work that well.. Anything that gets your strings vibrating. ;o)
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