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To: Durus
My original question was designed to determine where you were coming from. When people start throwing the insulting label of "gun nut" around...

I don't mind being called a "gun nut", because I am one.

My original question was designed to determine where you were coming from.

No. Your original question was to infer that I was a communist by implying that I did not believing in the Constitution.

The NRA and the GOA are defending against the unconstitutional infringements on the 2nd amendment.

You mean that the 2nd. Amendment is totally un-infringed in all states across the US? I don't think so.

If Either the NRA or the GOA adopted your position they would be conceding that the fundamental arguments for gun control are correct.

By the virtue of what logic? It is illegal, federally, for a minor to be in possession of a firearm at school. The "Instant Background Check" when you purchase a firearm is designed to detect the mentally unstable that are in the data bank. Is this a concession to the fundamental arguments for gun control? I don't think so. The NRA helped draft these laws with Congress.

We know what the ultimate goal is of all these gun control groups so why would anyone suggest helping them?

I am not suggesting helping them, I am suggesting out-flanking them. You don't posses a tactical mind, do you?

Do you honestly think that the repeal of the 2nd amendment is an achievable goal?(real honest to goodness question)

My honest answer, Yes. Why? Because the the Second Amendment movement can't see beyond the rear sight.

If the 2nd amendment was repealed what do you think would happen in this country?

Not much. You'd all turn in your guns like good little soldiers. I think the battle cry of; "From My Cold Dead Hands!" is nothing more than a bluff.

104 posted on 03/23/2005 8:32:26 AM PST by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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To: elbucko
Not much. You'd all turn in your guns like good little soldiers. I think the battle cry of; "From My Cold Dead Hands!" is nothing more than a bluff.

You should take a good hard look at what has happened in Canada under the country's mandatory gun registration laws. People in rural areas all across the country have pretty much ignored it, and the province of Alberta has openly stated that it will not enforce the law. They basically called Ottawa's bluff on that one, for the RCMP is such a small law enforcement body that Canada is basically ungovernable from a Federal standpoint.

There are a couple of members of the Alberta parliament who carry their guns to work in the provincial legislature every day, in open defiance of this useless law.

108 posted on 03/23/2005 8:57:23 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: elbucko
I mind being called a gun nut because it is designed as a pejorative term.

"No. Your original question was to infer that I was a communist by implying that I did not believing in the Constitution."
I'm afraid you will have to bow to my obvious expertise concerning my own reasons for doing anything.

"You mean that the 2nd. Amendment is totally un-infringed in all states across the US? I don't think so."
No that isn't what I said.

"By the virtue of what logic? It is illegal, federally, for a minor to be in possession of a firearm at school. The "Instant Background Check" when you purchase a firearm is designed to detect the mentally unstable that are in the data bank. Is this a concession to the fundamental arguments for gun control? I don't think so. The NRA helped draft these laws with Congress."
You are making the same point that I was. By moving to a mental health issue or another gun law issue you are conceding ground. No gun law will prevent a criminal from obtaining a weapon period.

"I am not suggesting helping them, I am suggesting out-flanking them. You don't posses a tactical mind, do you?"
You aren't talking about a flanking position you are talking about get led into an ambush. We do not have to engage...we have the high ground. Every time they attack our position they look like fools and get beaten back. If we engage them in silly arguments that are completely removed from the point, like mental hospitals, we are giving weight to their claims simply by being involved with it. I think that is the tactically sound position.

"My honest answer, Yes. Why? Because the the Second Amendment movement can't see beyond the rear sight.
I do not understand this comment.

"Not much. You'd all turn in your guns like good little soldiers. I think the battle cry of; "From My Cold Dead Hands!" is nothing more than a bluff."

I guess I have more faith in the American people. I see a lot of shift in the 2nd amendment movements in that they are paying attention to more constitutional issues then just the 2nd now. I also see some other pro-freedom movements becoming more interested in the 2nd. There are some reasons to be optimistic.

111 posted on 03/23/2005 10:59:32 AM PST by Durus
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