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1 posted on 03/22/2005 7:20:59 AM PST by Pikamax
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sucker born every minute!


2 posted on 03/22/2005 7:22:19 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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Explaining Hitler's appeal over there is easy. It's the Hasslehoff thing that's more mystifying.


3 posted on 03/22/2005 7:22:46 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Jody isn't inviting us to draw parallels, is she?

To do so, he gave them huge tax breaks and introduced social benefits that even today anchor the society.

4 posted on 03/22/2005 7:25:44 AM PST by DManA
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Sounds amazingly similar to the methods of Democrats.


5 posted on 03/22/2005 7:27:42 AM PST by Gunner9mm
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After trying to ty Hitler to Bush and Reagan for tax breaks she has to admit that Hitler was a Socialist pure and simple.


6 posted on 03/22/2005 7:28:26 AM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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Interesting. Napoleon fell into essentially the same trap. He had to keep expanding, as new plunder was essential to finance his existing military machine, on which his power was based. His attempt to expand into Russia was obviously one country too far, as was Hitler's attempt to do the same.


7 posted on 03/22/2005 7:29:18 AM PST by Restorer
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They were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist, and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist "exploitation" by capitalists -- particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion.

Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared. Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely condemned as "right wing fanatics".

8 posted on 03/22/2005 7:34:09 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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They weren't called the National Socialist Party for nothing. Only today the socialists don't enslave a class of people. They take about half the earnings from the productive in taxes and re-distribute those taxes to a non-productive class who are numerically greater.


9 posted on 03/22/2005 7:35:58 AM PST by Inwoodian
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Of course; this explains Germany to a "t."


10 posted on 03/22/2005 7:36:08 AM PST by franksolich (Grzegorz, Lizol, Lukasz, & Fred, Advertising Agency)
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"The book could have been written 10 years ago, even 20 years ago," he says. All of the documents were there. We just weren't open to them. Personally, I didn't have the questions then."

There are plenty of books that have already been written with similar ideas, I've had to read a few of them. In my last semester of college all I needed was to collect a few credits. I liked history, so I took Nazi Germany because it fit my time slot. Well, this ex-Harvard professor comes in and give us the class reading list that included 5 rather large books, many of which covered the same things this article did. Apparently Germans weren't interested in these painful memories back then.

Germany was in terrible shape - European-wide economic depression, and they had taken the worst of it to go along with the brunt, blame and punishment for WWI. Hitler played on national pride to overcome his political competitors. Bit by bit, the people feeling better about themselves and began surrendering freedoms as a minor trade off. By the time people realized that things were amiss, they were already in too deep. The one thing Nazis did was to equate themselves to Nationalism. Anything said negatively against the Nazis was treasonous, and with secret police and fear running rampant - friends and neighbor would turn each other in. Nationalism became the excuse and justification for everything.


17 posted on 03/22/2005 7:51:33 AM PST by Sax
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Plus, he insists, it is always "much easier to say it was the fault of a small group of elites, the power-crazed SS commanders, or even big businesses" than to point to your own greed.

The truth of this seems to be lost on the Left in Iraq - where they insist that Saddam and a few henchmen were the only bad guys, and thus the invasion was unnecessary and we are acting as "imperialists". No dictatorship survives without significant popular support, and much of our post-war troubles have been caused by those supporters - who lived the good life under Saddam and face uncertain futures under a democratic government.

19 posted on 03/22/2005 7:52:48 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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"... a sort of "snowball effect" ensued and in order to stay afloat, he says Germany had to conquer and pilfer from more territory and victims. "

Old news. Napoleon did the same thing. He said "Make the war pay for itself."

His contemporary, I think Talleyrand said..."You can do everything with a sword, but sit on it."

Only people who are totally unfamiliar with the political and military history of Europe and especially Germany in the '30's and '40's will find this book an 'expose'. It should NOT be for anyone who has made it his/her business to get the facts. By that I mean the 'facts' which have been systematically omitted from their respective HS and college text books, because we all know that stuff has been rewritten and revised beyond all recognition and does not bear the least resemblance to actual events.
22 posted on 03/22/2005 7:57:06 AM PST by SMARTY
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I'll be reading that book. I just finished "The Good Old Days: the Holocaust as Seen by Its Perpetrators and Bystanders" and it's certainly a stomach turner. Their society was not much different from where ours and where we are headed.

You desperately want to hope that these people were forced to put up with what happened, but the reality is that many participated, even cheered the public execution of Jewish children in the town square. Holding their own children on their shoulders for a better look!

25 posted on 03/22/2005 8:00:51 AM PST by TNdandelion
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There's a lot of horse manure here -- Hitler was not compelled to invade Russia because of a need for slaves and plunder. Had that been his goal, he would not have starved tens of thousands of Russian POWs to death in the beginning of that campaign. He made no bones about his hatred for the Russians and other "sub-humans," -- and I notice that the author's thesis does not bother to explain why there was all of that racial theorizing behind so much of what the Germans did.

What this guy's really trying to do, is take the heat off of Nazi Germany for what they were really all about, which was racial hatred and a thirst for conquest.

26 posted on 03/22/2005 8:03:55 AM PST by r9etb
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"Financing such home front "happiness" was not simple and Hitler essentially achieved it by robbing and murdering others, Aly claims. Jews. Slave laborers."

The Soviet Union also propped up its economy with slave labor. Many people in normal Soviet society lived in some degree of comfort. They pretended to work, and the State pretended to apy them, and they got by okay. All the while, millions toiled in slave labor camps, freezing their butts off in misery so that others could live the socialist lifestyle that some now look back on fondly.

But we don't get an Oscar-winning movie every year or two about the evils of communism, do we? Every year or two we get a first-rate movie about the Holocaust. It is important that we never forget what Germany did, but it is also imporatnt that we remember what communuism did. Not just Stalin, or a few bad leaders, but communism itself.

31 posted on 03/22/2005 8:10:49 AM PST by Montfort (The Democrat Party -- The Party of Death)
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Despite near-constant warfare, never once during his 12 years in power did Hitler raise taxes for working class people.

Uh, would that be because he used the Jewish slave labor to reduce manufacturing costs?

32 posted on 03/22/2005 8:11:29 AM PST by John123 (Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it)
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read later bump


37 posted on 03/22/2005 8:34:10 AM PST by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: Pikamax; Jeff Head; Paul Ross; Frank_Discussion; JohnOG; Tailgunner Joe; Orion78; TapTheSource; ...

RE: Financing such home front "happiness" was not simple and Hitler essentially achieved it by robbing and murdering others, Aly claims. Jews. Slave laborers. Conquered lands. All offered tremendous opportunities for plunder, and the Nazis exploited it fully, he says.

Not if, but when we are attacked in earnest by the anti Western Axis (what has happened thus far is nothing) we can fully expect them to use a similar methodology.


39 posted on 03/22/2005 8:37:19 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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