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Schiavo Thoughts: Judge Whittemore's Order Explained
Abstract Appeal (Blog) ^ | March 22, 2005 | Matt Conigliaro

Posted on 03/22/2005 6:58:07 AM PST by yatros from flatwater

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To: yatros from flatwater
those are pretty weak grounds for appeal

the Schindlers' lawyers stink

21 posted on 03/22/2005 7:26:06 AM PST by Homer1
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To: yatros from flatwater

PLEASE, PLEASE Call or FAX the above Florida State Senators and urge them to pass the law Now in the FLORIDA Legislature that would save Terri's life!!!


22 posted on 03/22/2005 7:31:59 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: yatros from flatwater

Looks like the judge found that the Florida courts are competent to handle the matter and that the Federal Judiciary has no reason or need to butt in. That's called State's rights. Overall this is a good precedent against further Federal intrusion into State judicial processes.

However you may feel about the merits of the Schiavo case, the fact remains that the principle of State's rights is far more important than any individual case. Besides, if you don't like the Florida decision, then don't live in Florida. It's called Federalism, you know ...


23 posted on 03/22/2005 7:35:46 AM PST by New Orleans Slim
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To: traderrob6

No, I took a peek at the ruling and it does say that. However since the questions of due process were raised because of Greer's ruling, Judge W. had to consider their merits. I urge everyone to read the ruling. I could not read it all cause my computer was waaaaaay slow with PDF. I have a strong feeling that this ruling will be overturned on appeal. Of special interest, I thought was the Judge cited Reno vs. Elian Gonzales as one of the cases dealing with temporary injunctions. Ironic isn't it. The courts have become so clever in denying life and liberty to the most innocent while granting it to the most heinious of crminals.


24 posted on 03/22/2005 7:37:49 AM PST by lastchance (Life is sacred.)
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To: traderrob6

Not exactly.

Congress required a de novo (new) review of federal and consitutional questions -- which are essentially the questions of whether or not Terri had due process.

Congress didn't requrie (because it can't) a new trial on the facts of the underlying case, and the appointment of a guardian. That is a state matter, and it any such law that tried to intrude is unconsititutional.

If a violation of due process is/was found, a new trial could be ordered -- which would be held by judge Greer in state court.


25 posted on 03/22/2005 7:37:50 AM PST by sgent
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To: Mother Mary

Her name is Carla Sauer Iyer.

There is a thread regarding her and her affidavit around here somewhere.

I started one, but am not familiar with FR enough to find it and link to it easily.


BB62


26 posted on 03/22/2005 7:38:41 AM PST by BB62
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To: sgent

Presuming Greer,that is -- it could be any judge in that district, no?


27 posted on 03/22/2005 7:39:50 AM PST by bvw
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To: BB62


Affidavits that show the woman is alive, responsive and can eat and drink.


http://www.hospicepatients.org/heidi-law-09-03-affidavit-re-terri-schiavo-michael.html

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/CIyerAffidavit090203.htm


28 posted on 03/22/2005 7:40:37 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: bvw

"Any order to murder and innocent is a illegal order. There is no duty to obey it -- there is a DUTY to dis-obey it."

Crimes against humanity is what the Nuremburg trials called it. The NAZIs started killing with the mentally handicapped, and the "courts" upheld it. Someday, there will be a recogning. If not in this life, then in the next.


29 posted on 03/22/2005 7:41:59 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: New Orleans Slim

States' Rights and the rest of the Constitution had their death warrants signed by Marshall and colleagues on the Supreme Court in 1803, and the idea died at Appomattox Court House in 1865. Since then, all the pretty words have been useful tools for judges to turn their rulings upon, and nothing more.


30 posted on 03/22/2005 7:44:36 AM PST by yatros from flatwater (Justice, Justice, you shall pursue!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

You asked about who's directing the Hospice...check this out:

http://writewingblog.blogspot.com/2005/03/something-fishys-going-on-in-pinellas.html

http://hyscience.typepad.com/hyscience/2005/02/the_hapless_mis.html


31 posted on 03/22/2005 7:45:08 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: traderrob6

"If I'm not mistaken the law that Congress passes explicitly states that previous state court finding of fact should be disregarded"

That is what I thought it said when I read the law also. Once again, a judge is thumbing his nose at the Executive and Legislative branches. This is not balance, this is abuse.


32 posted on 03/22/2005 7:45:27 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: bvw
A few thousand years earlier a viceroy in what is now Iran -- Haman by name -- also very carefully dotted i's and crossed t's. His plan for extermination of the undesirables also was to proceed with all DUE PROCESS.

Then contact the legislature to ensure this doesn't happen again. Your beef isn't with the judicial, but with the legislature.

33 posted on 03/22/2005 7:49:59 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: bvw

Nope, it would be Greer.

One of the primary thoughts in jurisprudence is you don't get to go judge shopping. Whoever gets assigned the case to start with (Greer in this case), keeps it until the bitter end.

The only way that a judge other than Greer would hear a new case is if the case is dismissed. The federal district court doesn't have the power to dismiss a state lawsuit -- they can set it aside, or require a retrial, but in either of those cases Greer gets it on retrial. The only federal court that could dismiss would be a higher Flordia court, or the US Supreme court IF they took a case that came up through the Flordia courts (not one coming up through the Federal Judiciary).

The law in no place states that a de novo review of all facts are requried, or even allowed. It does say that the state court rules on the question of due process should not be examined by the district court, but the law itself does not provide jurisdiction to the federal district court to hear anything other than a due process/consitutional question.


34 posted on 03/22/2005 7:54:03 AM PST by sgent
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To: antiRepublicrat

My Beef? Is with anyone who stands by and allows this. It is a murder, and certainly the Judges who go along with any due process that allows an innocent to be murdered would be welcomed by Eichmann and Haman both.


35 posted on 03/22/2005 7:55:51 AM PST by bvw
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To: TAdams8591

Since the Florida senators' numbers are busy, keep trying to call, but in the meantime, let's flood them with emails also. It's easy to do it here:

http://capwiz.com/sicminc/issues/alert/?alertid=7260671&type=CU


36 posted on 03/22/2005 7:56:39 AM PST by TruthSetsUFree
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To: sgent

Then take her out of that local court's jurisdication. Move her to another state.


37 posted on 03/22/2005 7:57:01 AM PST by bvw
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To: Homer1

I think the biggest mistake was not pursuing having Michael removed as her guardian. They should have litigated that all the way up. The fact that he is living with another woman and has two children with her, and the fact that he stands to benefit financially upon her death is plenty reason to remove him as guardian, IMO.


38 posted on 03/22/2005 8:05:06 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: bvw
My Beef? Is with anyone who stands by and allows this. It is a murder, and certainly the Judges who go along with any due process that allows an innocent to be murdered would be welcomed by Eichmann and Haman both.

Will you run around the country stopping the removal of thousands of feeding tubes each year?

39 posted on 03/22/2005 8:06:36 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: New Orleans Slim
"However you may feel about the merits of the Schiavo case, the fact remains that the principle of State's rights....."


1. How does Florida get its State Rights? THROUGH THE PEOPLE.

2. How are the people represented? THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE.

3. The Florida Legislature used their States Rights. How? THROUGH TERRI's BILL.

The blankity! blankity! state court told the people up yours. We don't listen to you.

The United States Congress has the authority to appoint a new court to hear this through the
United States Constitution
Article 3

40 posted on 03/22/2005 8:20:07 AM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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