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Schiavo Case: Judge Greer parts ways with his church on pastor's advice
St. Petersburg Times ^ | 03.22.05 | Times Staff

Posted on 03/22/2005 5:58:03 AM PST by Dr. Marten

The Terri Schiavo Case

Judge Greer parts ways with his church on pastor's advice

By Times Staff
Published March 22, 2005

CLEARWATER - Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer left his church last week after the pastor wrote him a letter suggesting "it might be easier for all of us" if he leave.

Greer, whose orders on the Terri Schiavo case have brought him criticism, is a Southern Baptist who attended Calvary Baptist Church in Clearwater.

Though he had other unrelated problems with the church, Greer's attendance faltered after a Baptist publication the church supported criticized his decisions in the Schiavo case. He stopped his donations to the church, but remained a member. He briefly discussed his relationship with the church in a March 6 St. Petersburg Times article.

Four days later, Calvary Pastor William Rice wrote Greer a letter: "I am not asking you to do this, but since you have taken the initiative of withdrawal, and since your connection with Calvary continues to be a point of concern, it would seem the logical and, I would say, biblical course."

Rice's letter became public when he sent a copy to the Clearwater courthouse. Rice also said the church supports keeping Schiavo alive, though he said he was "truly saddened and embarrassed by the level of harassment and vitriolic nature of so many comments that purportedly come from people of faith."

Rice, who has been pastor at the church for five months, added: "But you must know that in all likelihood it is this case which will define your career and this case that you will remember in the waning days of life. I hope you can find a way to side with the angels and become an answer to the prayers of thousands."

Greer responded with a letter severing his relationship with the church.



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To: blaquebyrd

I hope someone more knowlegeable on Chruch discipline speaks up. We are bound biblically to hold one another accountable via the Church.


21 posted on 03/22/2005 6:34:37 AM PST by sweet_diane ("Will I dance for you Jesus? Or in awe of You be still? I can only imagine..I can only imagine.")
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To: ThePaladin

"Shouldnt the church be there for you in your darkest hour? What a shame that these "Christians" missed out on a real opportunity to show Jesus' love."




YOu mean that Jesus that is coming back with a double edge sword for a harvest??? Not the first one showing up on the scene crying PEACE PEACE PEACE.


22 posted on 03/22/2005 6:35:46 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Bushforlife

Yes. I really haven't seen any gloating going on. I was singled out as a gloater. Greer doesn't strike me as a Southern Baptist. He allows a philandering husband to act as guardian on his abandoned wife? Doesn't even remotely sound Christian to me especially not Southern Baptist.


23 posted on 03/22/2005 6:36:49 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Okay, you evolved. I was created. Get used to it.)
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To: sweet_diane
We are bound biblically to hold one another accountable via the Church.

What happened to hate the sin not the sinner, or is that just a slogan?

24 posted on 03/22/2005 6:37:27 AM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: blaquebyrd
This doesn't seem like the Christian thing to do...

Are we privy to their prior conversations? Much also depends on which denomination of Christian -- many differences between, say, Episcopal and Southern Baptist and Unitarian.

Also, BTK involves a criminal psyche, while this involves a man serving as a judge.

25 posted on 03/22/2005 6:37:45 AM PST by polymuser
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To: knarf

Don't know them that well. Had a friend who went there, is all. Pastor does have a solid repution, if I'm not mistaken, though can't recall his name.


26 posted on 03/22/2005 6:39:06 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: blaquebyrd
What happened to hate the sin not the sinner, or is that just a slogan?

Remember, "Go and sin no more" is the second part of that.

27 posted on 03/22/2005 6:39:46 AM PST by polymuser
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To: Blessed
"The separation occured because he failed to accept church discipline"

That's what I was looking for. Church discipline is a process...not a process commonly used anymore, yet biblical nonetheless.

I've only recently become aware of the process of Church disicpline...takes a strong, bible-based Church to follow thru with it these days.

28 posted on 03/22/2005 6:41:53 AM PST by sweet_diane ("Will I dance for you Jesus? Or in awe of You be still? I can only imagine..I can only imagine.")
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To: polymuser
"Also, BTK involves a criminal psyche, while this involves a man serving as a judge.

So the one that did the actual hands-on serial killing gets a pass? I'm not following your logic.

29 posted on 03/22/2005 6:42:01 AM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: Dr. Marten

Judge Mengele (George Greer) would be a real star in the Third Reich!


30 posted on 03/22/2005 6:42:47 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: Dr. Marten

Gee, between this, standing unabashed against homosexuals, and boycotting Michael Disney Eisner.....


....I might have to change to Southern Baptist.....


31 posted on 03/22/2005 6:43:20 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: blaquebyrd
"What happened to hate the sin not the sinner, or is that just a slogan?"

Do you (or would you), love your child any less once you've disciplined them?

32 posted on 03/22/2005 6:44:19 AM PST by sweet_diane ("Will I dance for you Jesus? Or in awe of You be still? I can only imagine..I can only imagine.")
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To: blaquebyrd
What happened to hate the sin not the sinner, or is that just a slogan?

I attend a church that practices chruch discipline. The sinner is to be given the opportunity to repent (i.e. acknowledge the sin and then turn away from the sin) after confrontation by members of the church. If the sinner refuses to repent, the church body is to have nothing to do with him/her. We have several people who have been asked to leave because of adultery on their part.

33 posted on 03/22/2005 6:48:02 AM PST by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: sweet_diane
"Do you (or would you), love your child any less once you've disciplined them?"

I wouldn't kick him out of the house and tell his siblings that he is no longer welcome there. I wouldn't send a letter to his school telling his classmates why he's no longer welcome at his father's house. That's what I wouldn't do.

34 posted on 03/22/2005 6:49:41 AM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: sweet_diane

Good point. Apparently, some can't/don't/won't differentiate between discipline and hate. Or, between a criminally insane killer and a political, calculating judge.


35 posted on 03/22/2005 6:50:09 AM PST by polymuser
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To: ThePaladin
Where was the example of Jesus love from Greer? The guy sided with death on the word of an adulterous husband. The Church had every right to kick him out.
36 posted on 03/22/2005 6:50:17 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Maybe because that word Christ really gets into the craw of many people.

There are some in Congress who won't allow a Christian to become a judge. The system has become the god for some.

Matthew 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is ONE greater than the temple.

7 But if ye had know what this meanseth, "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice," ye would not have condemmed the guuiltless.

The whole chapter of Matthew 23 might be the best description of what that unholy system of justice has become.
37 posted on 03/22/2005 6:52:29 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: blaquebyrd

You have to draw the line somewhere. Would you keep your "loved" murderous child in the house? Or even just 1 who keeps "sinning" over and over and over again? IOW, he's taking advantage of you and is learning nothing. Flouting and mocking you. That's not love worth returning, either.

These people are doing right by standing up to sin, if you will, and calling some1 to account.


38 posted on 03/22/2005 6:53:03 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Good points.


39 posted on 03/22/2005 6:55:30 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Okay, you evolved. I was created. Get used to it.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
He allows a philandering husband to act as guardian on his abandoned wife? Doesn't even remotely sound Christian to me especially not Southern Baptist.

Needless to say, the judge should not make any decision from the bench based upon his religion or what his religion instructs him to do, but only upon what the law requires. (Whether or not he has done that in this case is another matter altogether.)
40 posted on 03/22/2005 6:58:29 AM PST by BikerNYC
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