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Schiavo Case: Judge Greer parts ways with his church on pastor's advice
St. Petersburg Times ^ | 03.22.05 | Times Staff

Posted on 03/22/2005 5:58:03 AM PST by Dr. Marten

The Terri Schiavo Case

Judge Greer parts ways with his church on pastor's advice

By Times Staff
Published March 22, 2005

CLEARWATER - Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer left his church last week after the pastor wrote him a letter suggesting "it might be easier for all of us" if he leave.

Greer, whose orders on the Terri Schiavo case have brought him criticism, is a Southern Baptist who attended Calvary Baptist Church in Clearwater.

Though he had other unrelated problems with the church, Greer's attendance faltered after a Baptist publication the church supported criticized his decisions in the Schiavo case. He stopped his donations to the church, but remained a member. He briefly discussed his relationship with the church in a March 6 St. Petersburg Times article.

Four days later, Calvary Pastor William Rice wrote Greer a letter: "I am not asking you to do this, but since you have taken the initiative of withdrawal, and since your connection with Calvary continues to be a point of concern, it would seem the logical and, I would say, biblical course."

Rice's letter became public when he sent a copy to the Clearwater courthouse. Rice also said the church supports keeping Schiavo alive, though he said he was "truly saddened and embarrassed by the level of harassment and vitriolic nature of so many comments that purportedly come from people of faith."

Rice, who has been pastor at the church for five months, added: "But you must know that in all likelihood it is this case which will define your career and this case that you will remember in the waning days of life. I hope you can find a way to side with the angels and become an answer to the prayers of thousands."

Greer responded with a letter severing his relationship with the church.



TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bino; judgegreer; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Amen, CG. She has suffered enough for several people.


181 posted on 03/22/2005 9:46:45 AM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

I need to proof read more. Way = Why. It makes no sense to me. His fitness as a guardian has to be an issue.


182 posted on 03/22/2005 9:47:00 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot)
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To: OldFriend
Nice to see Christian gloating in the morning.

You're the one who should be gloating. The parents get to watch the girl die.

183 posted on 03/22/2005 9:50:15 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: BikerNYC
The point is that he should follow the law (whatever the law is)

The law was that tube remain in place, remember.

184 posted on 03/22/2005 9:51:20 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: daybreakcoming

That's right. They do not.


185 posted on 03/22/2005 9:55:00 AM PST by mother22wife21
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To: Conspiracy Guy

*ducks*


186 posted on 03/22/2005 9:55:47 AM PST by Hi Heels (Now Andy, I ain't got time for them trivial trivialities...Barney Fife)
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To: Just mythoughts

That's nicely thought out....


187 posted on 03/22/2005 9:58:46 AM PST by Hi Heels (Now Andy, I ain't got time for them trivial trivialities...Barney Fife)
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To: Dr. Marten

So I'm no Christian scholar, but wouldn't the Christian thing for the pastor to do is to accept Greer despite his being a sinner (as everyone is, right?) and try to guide him toward making godly decisions? As opposed to apparently giving up on him and kicking him out?


188 posted on 03/22/2005 10:03:13 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain

See #158.


189 posted on 03/22/2005 10:05:25 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: international american

I should not think that way. But I asked for forgiveness.


190 posted on 03/22/2005 10:05:26 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot)
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To: international american

I wish I could help but it is not within my grasp. So I must let it go.


191 posted on 03/22/2005 10:06:42 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot)
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To: texgal
The sinner is to be given the opportunity to repent (i.e. acknowledge the sin and then turn away from the sin) after confrontation by members of the church. If the sinner refuses to repent, the church body is to have nothing to do with him/her. We have several people who have been asked to leave because of adultery on their part.

I'm curious about this. How did those people who were asked to leave come to the attention of the church? Which members of the church do the confronting and where? What does the member who is asked to repent specifically asked to do or say? Hope this isn't too nosy - I'm curious about this!
192 posted on 03/22/2005 10:06:44 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Hi Heels; OldFriend

Old Friend never saw fit to splain it. Probably just as well.


193 posted on 03/22/2005 10:10:27 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot)
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To: polymuser
involves a criminal psyche, while this involves a man serving as a judge with a criminal psyche.
194 posted on 03/22/2005 10:14:07 AM PST by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans)
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To: Stone Mountain

It was an ongoing thing. The pastor did not kick him out. He suggested that maybe Greer didn't fit in.


195 posted on 03/22/2005 10:15:09 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot)
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To: Busywhiskers
Church discipline shouldn't be about getting rid of troublesome people but rather about pressuring people to do what they should and restoring them to fellowship.

Troublesome people.

A church member who is unrepentant,resistant to biblical principles and guidance by elders and continuing to sin, is not considered a troublesome person but a brother or sister in dire crisis. If they chose to continue to sin, then the church elders are biblically mandated to discipline that member. The end of that process calls for disaffiliation or revocation of membership in the church.

However, this does not mean that intercessory prayer is not offered for that individual or that they are not welcome to return once they have forsaken the sin and repented.

Discipline, accountability, sacrifice, responsibility and discernment and judgment are not bad concepts. Nor are they unchristian.

196 posted on 03/22/2005 10:24:09 AM PST by mother22wife21
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To: SoFloFreeper; Dr. Marten; MeekOneGOP

Look what I found on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=5567730590&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Unbelieveable.


197 posted on 03/22/2005 10:26:21 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

Truly sick...


198 posted on 03/22/2005 10:28:31 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: sweet_diane
You are right. If anyone has been witness to that process, they know that it is rarely entered into with anything other than a desire for that member to repent and begin to heal from their spiritual crisis.

*smile* Often times the process doesn't need to go this far. A session with the elders where the sin is brought to light and the knowledge that others know and are holding the member accountable will often bring repentance and healing.

I can't help but wonder at the efforts made for church member Greer and for it to come to this. It is not a process that should be or is taken lightly by anyone within the church.

I am happy to hear you have found a church you committed to . Our church leaders need our prayers and support.

199 posted on 03/22/2005 10:33:16 AM PST by mother22wife21
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

aww geeze. A fake of course without actually claiming where it's from. Location of the item is up in the panhandle - Sunray, Texas - Population under 2000.


200 posted on 03/22/2005 10:36:49 AM PST by daybreakcoming ("Courage is being scared to death -- and saddling up anyway." - John Wayne)
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