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To: jwalsh07

Because you haven't taken the time to sift through all the information about Hammesfahr on www.quackwatch.org does not mean it doesn't exist. It's there for anyone who wants to take the time to check it out.


690 posted on 03/22/2005 6:23:19 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: ContraryMary
And who WROTE the information on quackwatch.org...........and how reliable are THEY?

(Don't believe everything you read on an Internet Site).

693 posted on 03/22/2005 6:25:31 AM PST by ohioWfan (The trumpet of freedom has been sounded, and that trumpet never calls retreat. (George W. Bush))
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To: ContraryMary

I guess all the doctors in this organization are quacks too by your definition.

AAPS Doctors: Schindler-Schiavo is NOT a "death with dignity" issue
http://www.aapsonline.org/press/nrschiavo.htm ^ | October 22, 2003 | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc


Posted on 03/21/2005 7:15:36 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican



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October 22, 2003
For Immediate Release:

AAPS Doctors: Schindler-Schiavo is NOT a "death with dignity" issue

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) issued this statement from Jane M. Orient, M.D. in response to the emergency action of the Florida legislature to reinstate feeding and hydration of Terri Schindler-Schiavo:

"Terri Schindler-Schiavo has won a temporary stay from execution by a method too cruel to be used for convicted criminals. And yet her husband's attorney is trying to spin it into a "death with dignity issue" with his comments on Tuesday.

"He says it's cruel to begin rehydration. The opposite is true - dehydration is a cruel, painful death. It is unconscionable that the state would have allowed removal of her feeding tube in the first place-it's nothing less than state-sponsored euthanasia.

"She is not dependent on advanced medical interventions. Nothing is mechanically beating her heart, or forcing oxygen into her lungs. She is simply being fed through a gastrostomy tube. Would we allow a retarded child to be starved to death?

"Some physicians believe that Terri could be rehabilitated to some extent, at least so that she would be able to swallow oral feedings and eliminate the need for the tube. She should be allowed to try, but so far her husband has blocked every attempt to see if she can swallow. Doctors have offered pro bono treatment, if money is the barrier for her husband.

"Although severely disabled, some believe that she does have the capacity to communicate a desire to live. The husband has obstructed efforts at rehabilitation or independent assessments of his wife's true state.

"Where are the "compassionate end-of-life" groups such as the Robert Wood Johnson "Last Acts" initiative, and why aren't they weighing in on this?

"The ethical question for her nurses and physicians is whether they will cooperate in carrying out a death warrant.

"And the ethical question for all of us is whether we will allow the state to obstruct the efforts of people who want to provide medical care to a patient who wants to receive it.

"If we go down that path, who's to say what treatment the state will prevent you from getting."

AAPS is a non-partisan, professional association of physicians in all specialties, dedicated since 1943 to the protection of the patient-physician relationship from third-party intrusion.


698 posted on 03/22/2005 6:27:18 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: ContraryMary

take the time to check it out.

Yeah, let's all check out Hammesfahr. And take lots of time checking out Hammesfahr. Meanwhile, Terri starves. Give me a break. I'll believe the quack and Terri's parents and friends over Michael Schiavo anyday.


711 posted on 03/22/2005 6:33:58 AM PST by adc
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To: ContraryMary
Because you haven't taken the time to sift through all the information about Hammesfahr on www.quackwatch.org does not mean it doesn't exist. It's there for anyone who wants to take the time to check it out.

Hey lady, you're engaged in slander. It is not up to me to prove a negative. Quit lying about a Doctor who remains board certifed in Florida after false charges were filed against him with the Florida Board of Medicine. Is that straight enough talk for you?

714 posted on 03/22/2005 6:35:59 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ContraryMary

Big deal. That website is one doctor's opinion, yet you are quoting it like it is the gospel truth. The website you quoted disagrees with the results of one particular study of Hammesfahr's. Show me how that invalidates all of Hammesfahr's work.


728 posted on 03/22/2005 6:44:39 AM PST by thecabal
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To: ContraryMary
A search of the site for "Hammesfahr" nets one article under the title "Promoters of Questionable Methods." One article? Hardly a lot of info. You have more?

The heading above the list states -

Each of the following has been involved in some way with the promotion or administration of questionable health products and/or services. Many of them have written at least one book that I believe contains invalid information. Most appear to hold sincere beliefs. Those marked with a red asterisk (*) have been subjected to regulatory or enforcement action. Nonaccredited degrees are marked with black asterisks (*). Each asterisk represents one action or degree.. Click on each name to see the reason they are on this list.

Surely you have more information about the quackery of Dr. Hammesfahr.

809 posted on 03/22/2005 7:12:42 AM PST by agrace
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