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Michael Schiavo to Bush: Come down to visit Terri
WorldNetDaily ^ | 3/21/05 | Sarah Foster

Posted on 03/21/2005 6:02:28 PM PST by wagglebee

Michael Schiavo, reportedly angered by the latest developments in Washington, has done an about-face in his longstanding position of not allowing visitors to meet his estranged wife, Terri, the brain-injured Florida woman whose right to live is at the heart of a cliff-hanging euthanasia battle.

According to the St. Petersburg Times, Schiavo invited both President Bush and his brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, to visit Terri at the hospice where she is undergoing a court-ordered starvation death after her feeding tube was removed Friday.

"Come down, President Bush," Schiavo said in the Times interview Saturday. "Come talk to me. Meet my wife. Talk to my wife and see if you get an answer. Ask her to lift her arm to shake your hand. She won't do it.

She won't, because she can't, said Schiavo.

"Terri died 15 years ago," he said, referring to her collapse in 1990 that cut off oxygen to her brain, leaving her seriously brain injured and unable to talk.

A handful of physicians say she is in a persistent vegetative state -- that is, she may seem to be alert and awake, but the smiles and laughter she exhibits are simply reflex actions. Florida law permits removal of feeding tubes from patients who are PVS.

More than 40 physicians and therapists have weighed in on the side of Terri's parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, who maintain she is aware, though seriously impaired, and could improve with therapy.

Regarding his invitation to the president, Schiavo said he made a similar offer to Gov. Bush last week but has not had a reply.

Schiavo described U.S. House Majority Leader Bill Frist, who led the effort to extend Terri's life, as a "little slithering snake" pandering for votes.

"To make coments that Terri would want to live, how do they [members of Congress] know?" he asked.

"What color are her eyes?" he demanded. "What's her middle name? What's her favorite color? They don't have any clue who Terri is. They should all be ashamed of themselves."

Schiavo's invitations to the president and his brother represent an exception to his long-standing ban on visitors, which has kept Terri in near-total seclusion at the Woodside Hospice Facility in Pinellas Park, Fla. Only her parents and siblings are allowed ready access. All others, including her priest and the attorneys representing her parents, may visit only when accompanied by an immediate family member.

Nancy Valko, a critical care nurse in St. Louis activist on euthanasia and related pro-life issues, reacted with caution to Schiavo's invitation to the president and governor.

"Hopefully, Terri is not being sedated or is too debilitated now from the dehydration to be seen, but it doesn't look good if Michael is saying this," she commented. "Personally, I think the fear of having Terri seen by the authorities and/or public is what was behind the quick removal of feedings Friday. Otherwise, why has Michael refused to allow pictures or to allow Terri outside?"

Except when she is taken to a whirlpool bath, Terri never leaves her room -- not even to attend functions offered all other residents, such as sing-alongs and concerts. This past Christmas, when "Santa Claus" visited the hospice, her door was kept firmly shut to prevent the jolly gentleman from catching a glimpse of her, and she of him. Carolers, too, were barred.

Even Judge George Greer, who has presided over the contentious case since September 1999, has not met Terri, having been persuaded by Schiavo's attorney, "right-to-die" advocate George Felos, not to visit her at the nursing home where she then was living.

On January 10, 2000 - just days before the trial that sealed Terri's fate was scheduled to begin - attorney Pamela Campbell, who represented Terri's parents, formally asked Greer if he would visit the disabled woman so he could see for himself how alert she is.

At a hearing on the matter, Felos argued that since both parties had agreed Terri was in a persistent vegetative state, to observe the patient was futile and unnecessary.

The judge accepted Felos' arguments, rejecting the opportunity to see for himself the woman whose life was in his hands.

The ban on visitation, which Schiavo defends as a necessary protection of his wife's privacy, came after a short video was played to the court during the 2000 trial, showing Terri alert and interacting with her parents.

The video, played at the trial over the objections of Felos, later was released to the public and run on a local TV channel.

Upon seeing the tape on TV, three physicians contacted the Schindlers offering to help.

Robert Schindler took each doctor in turn to the nursing home to meet his daughter. They were there long enough to see she was not in a persistent vegetative state, Schindler said, and they signed separate affidavits to that effect.

They also asked to be allowed to intervene in the case, but Greer rejected their requests and granted a motion by Felos for a no-visitation policy. Aside from nurses and her attending physician, the three doctors were the last professionals to have any contact with Terri for more than two years.

Other physicians in 2001 stated they believe Terri Schiavo is not PVS, but have been limited to basing their opinion on observing videotapes.

This holds for the 33 physicians who recently signed affidavits stating she is minimally conscious "or better," as opposed to being PVS.

Terri's eyes are brown

In his interview with the St. Petersburg Times, Schiavo took particular umbrage at no one knowing what color his estranged wife's eyes are. They are brown.

But a neurologist personally selected by Schiavo and Felos to examine Terri prior to a medical hearing was unable to recall that particular fact on the witness stand.

In Oct. 2002, following a series of legal maneuvers by the Schindlers, the Second District Court of Appeal ordered a medical evidentiary hearing to determine whether Terri is, in fact, in a persistent vegetative state, and if she is, what treatments might help her.

Dr. Melvin Greer, chairman of the University of Florida's College of Medicine in Gainsville, was one of two physicians chosen by Felos to examine her.

After performing a few bedside procedures to test her vision and hearing and general reflexes, Dr. Greer diagnosed Terri to be in a persistent vegetative state, for which there was no treatment. To test what he actually remembered about her, attorney Pat Anderson, representing the Schindlers, asked Dr. Greer what color Terri's eyes are.

"I don't know," he declared simply.

"She has huge brown eyes," Anderson told Judge Greer in her closing remarks.

"If you remember nothing else about her, you remember that."

When questioned by Anderson, Dr. Greer admitted he had not read a certain, major article in a British medical journal reporting a 43 percent error rate in PVS diagnoses over a five-year period.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; georgewbush; indict; indict4insulinstory; indict4nursestory; indictmichaelnow; indictonpolicereport; indictshiavo; jebbush; michaelschiavo; prolife; righttolife; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo
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To: MacDorcha
And this ain't no "flexible bullet" situation.
It's all or nothing and -final-.
Errors are not correctable.
81 posted on 03/21/2005 7:32:26 PM PST by Salamander
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To: MacDorcha

Im talking in terms of baseless theories about the husband..based on pure emotion and speculation.


82 posted on 03/21/2005 7:32:52 PM PST by hineybona
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To: Lexinom

Well said.


83 posted on 03/21/2005 7:33:33 PM PST by Salamander
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To: MacDorcha

Whoa.
That's a trigger phrase.
My "list" on that crime would get me banned for life...seriously.


84 posted on 03/21/2005 7:35:11 PM PST by Salamander
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To: Salamander
MRIs would reveal which "parts" were physically present. PETs would reveal which "parts" were functioning. Both would be valid.

Thank you. I have been amazed by the people who want to rely on old data and methods to base a "fatal" decision. I do not want any doctor of mine to make a diagnosis without using all available technology. It does no harm to perform these tests that have been denied to Terri

85 posted on 03/21/2005 7:35:46 PM PST by CAluvdubya ("Deep in everybody's soul is the great desire to live in freedom"...George W. Bush 3-11-05)
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To: hineybona

"based on pure emotion and speculation."

Based on hypotheses by those who have known and survived such "husbands".
No one knows "the signs" better than someone who's been there and escaped that.



86 posted on 03/21/2005 7:37:22 PM PST by Salamander
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To: hleewilder
Have you seen this?
Complete report of Dr. William Hammesfahr, a world-reknowned neurologist, Nobel Prize Nominee

I was asked to examine Terri Schiavo per the request of
the Second District Court of Appeal. They requested that
current information about her present medical condition be
obtained. They also requested that an evaluation be
performed to ascertain treatment options.

SNIP... Interestingly, I have seen this pattern of mixed brain
(cerebral) and spinal cord findings in a patient once
before, a patient who was asphyxiated.
87 posted on 03/21/2005 7:37:24 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: hineybona

Ok, Lets cut to the fact then (And I like to think I ahve been holding to just the verified facts here)

1) MC is with another woman. By law he is breaching his civil contract with Terri, thus he should have no say over her well-being.

2) He stands to make ALOT of money from her death. This alone should consider him "involved" and so he should be removed from testifying in court regarding her health.

3) She is not "brain-dead" she is "brain damaged." She is at least partially aware of her surroundings.

4) She is not on "life support" so even if she DID have a living will (she does not) it would not apply.

5) Therapy has been with-held from being given to her. It's possible she could hae recovered much of her former self by now. Just as stroke victims can and do.

If I think of more, they will come up here as well.


88 posted on 03/21/2005 7:40:32 PM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: Salamander
A nobel prize world renowned neurologist said so.

Dr. William Hammesfahr, M.D., Nobel Prize Nominee, To Speak At National Peripheral Neuropathy Convention

Meet Dr.Hammesfahr
89 posted on 03/21/2005 7:41:01 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Salamander

That's not proof . Very out of character for what I usually see on FR.I'm simply saying that emotion is really putting some people out there in this case.


90 posted on 03/21/2005 7:41:33 PM PST by hineybona
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To: Salamander

See post #73


91 posted on 03/21/2005 7:41:51 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Salamander

You think it's jsut that we Celts have morbid outlooks? Or are we just "genius" that have crossed that line?


92 posted on 03/21/2005 7:42:17 PM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: Salamander
See post #87 , 89
Good enough?
93 posted on 03/21/2005 7:43:20 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: CAluvdubya
In 1981 I got CAT scans and X rays because that's *all* that locally existed at the time.
My podunk rural hospital didn't even do any surgery to relieve the intra-cranial pressure from a massive buildup of post-trauma fluid...they couldn't because there weren't any surgeons capable of doing such "dangerous" surgery then.

Technology has advanced at a nearly miraculous rate and she should have the opportunity to make use of it.

Why can't HINO give her over to others for even a -year-, just to see what -can- be done, if he "loves" her so damn much?

The obvious, logical answer...he doesn't -want- her to get well.
94 posted on 03/21/2005 7:43:27 PM PST by Salamander
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To: wagglebee
""Come talk to me. Meet my wife."

Which wife? Teri or his common-law live-in?

95 posted on 03/21/2005 7:43:32 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Salamander
Sorry check links on post 87, 89.
96 posted on 03/21/2005 7:45:07 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: hineybona

No, it's not "proof", per se.
How about an investigation, just in case?
The precedence for abuse is -there-.
Let it be explored fully.


97 posted on 03/21/2005 7:45:36 PM PST by Salamander
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To: Salamander

Even i have had an MRI! This day and age, doctors order these tests as part of normal diagnostic tools. For a judge to make a conclusive decision without current testing such as MRIs and PET scans is beyond comprehension!


98 posted on 03/21/2005 7:47:59 PM PST by CAluvdubya ("Deep in everybody's soul is the great desire to live in freedom"...George W. Bush 3-11-05)
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To: DaveTesla

It works for me.
Why is he not allowed to help her?


99 posted on 03/21/2005 7:48:37 PM PST by Salamander
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To: Salamander

http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html


I was asked to examine Terri Schiavo per the request of
the Second District Court of Appeal. They requested that
current information about her present medical condition be
obtained. They also requested that an evaluation be
performed to ascertain treatment options.

SNIP... Interestingly, I have seen this pattern of mixed brain
(cerebral) and spinal cord findings in a patient once
before, a patient who was asphyxiated.


Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology in 1999 for his work in brain injury and stroke. He has successfully treated thousands of patients using vasodilator therapy which increases blood flow to the brain healing conditions previously thought to be untreatable. He has been using this technology for more than a decade with good results. Patients are seeing remarkable reduction in pain, return of function in previously unusable limbs, and return of lost sight, hearing, and other function. In 2000, this work resulted in approval for the first patent in history granted for the treatment of neurological diseases including coma, stroke, brain injury, cerebral palsy, hypoxic injuries and other neurovascular disorders with medications that restore blood flow to the brain. It was extended to treat successfully disabilities including ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Tourette's and Autism as well as behaviorally and emotionally disturbed children, seizures and severe migraines.


100 posted on 03/21/2005 7:49:39 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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