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Fred Barnes: The Bush Factor (What the president has done for his party)
The Weekly Standard ^ | March 28, 2005 | Fred Barnes

Posted on 03/21/2005 1:42:58 PM PST by RWR8189

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To: iconoclast; jveritas; Howlin
What a tragic day for the republic when Reagan acquiesced to the country club, Wall Street wing of the party.

It is really funny but also sad when you people start eating great conservatives like Ronald Reagan. Obviously in your minds the only "true conservatives" are yourselves. It is a good thing that most conservatives don't demand such perfection because if we did, then this country would have become communist decades ago.

61 posted on 03/21/2005 5:25:54 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: Darkwolf377

OK. I did vote for Bush but because you told me not to vote im going to pass.

Relax. I have to choose who is going to be more wasteful with my tax dollars and I had to vote against Kerry. I just hope future wars with muslim nations wont be so expensive. Like I said, im not looking for a perfect conservative but I dont think its too much to ask for a conservative.


62 posted on 03/21/2005 5:26:30 PM PST by CaptainAwesome2
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To: CaptainAwesome2
I'm perfectly relaxed. For some mysterious reason all you hardcore types think the rest of us give a damn who you vote for.

You can still bitch and moan in pursuit of your fictional perfect candidate forever, good luck to you. Just don't think any of us normal people, who live in the real world, give a damn about you perfectionists and your silly, crybaby ways. We don't.

63 posted on 03/21/2005 5:29:55 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Agnostic for life)
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To: Darkwolf377

What? You are saying that you dont stay up late at night worrying about my vote? Im shocked!

Im just stating my opinion and you are stating that you dont have an opinion other than "Everything Bush says and does is right and nobody should say otherwise!"

Ive got news for you, most normal people care a lot more about their families and their tax expenses than a bunch of muslims in Iraq thousands of miles away. Im not the extreme here Im the mainstream. If you had the people vote on whether or not $100 billion in their tax dollars should be spent to build Iraqi roads, infrastructure and pay their wages they would vote NO overwhelmingly.


64 posted on 03/21/2005 5:35:05 PM PST by CaptainAwesome2
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To: CaptainAwesome2
If you had the people vote on whether or not $100 billion in their tax dollars should be spent to build Iraqi roads, infrastructure and pay their wages they would vote NO overwhelmingly.

In a way, they had their chance on Election Day. No doubt, Americans hated the occupation of an ungrateful Iraq. No doubt, Americans like David Noles hate a possible ramping up of arms on the part of our enemies, one that we should freely admit could be a consequence of muscular action in the Middle East. When you strike at a nest of snakes, they tend to get aggressive.

Americans voted for a President with plain-spoken ideas to navigate difficult waters. This is the direction we are engaged in - no other was suitable advanced. Every major war has setbacks. If one cannot believe that we will win, naturally he will complain.

65 posted on 03/21/2005 5:50:29 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Common Tator
"From 1992 until 2000 the times were good and the nation was secure"

That was the fraud perpetrated by Bill Clinton. Our country was in peril and it was kept from us. The problems were ignored, hidden under that damn bridge to the 21st century.

The mainstream media and the left would still have us believe that George Bush lied to us about weapons of mass destruction, but not a word about Bill Clinton's decade of deception.

66 posted on 03/21/2005 5:54:49 PM PST by YaYa123 (@Still Simmering.com)
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To: Darkwolf377

We've never had much of a stick in the middle east but after the aphgan war , we had enough to deter the terrorist considering we ran them out of home base.

We had enough troops to make Iran and syria think twice without directly threatening them , without making china and Russia feel threatened. We had the world on our side after 911 when we went to war in aphgan.

If you don't know about what china and Russia are up to then your head has been in the sand. They percieve us as a loose cannon bent on reshaping the world in our image at any cost , which is a direct threat to their interest which they are prepared to protect at any cost.


67 posted on 03/21/2005 5:55:48 PM PST by David Noles
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To: David Noles

You are starting to rant incoherently, better put down that bottle and get some sleep. Things will be better tomorrow.


68 posted on 03/21/2005 6:05:32 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: David Noles
YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. THE BALANCE OF POWER SHIFTED TO US BUT THIS WAS TEMPERARY. IN ORDER TO BALANCE US , RUSSIA IS ARMING THE MIDDLE EAST , RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE ARMING US AS WELL. A GLOBAL ARMS RACE IS BAD , MORE SO WHEN IT IS DONE IN ANTICIPATION OF HAVING TO GO TO WAR.

Russia is selling missiles because it wants CASH. It's a poor country. Putin admitted that his military is in too bad a shape to even respond to the terrorists who killed the kids in Beslan. They have no hope of opposing us.

China would be arming themselves whether we took action or not. They have their own goal of being a world power, regardless of what we do. Weakness on our part would merely mean that they would expect no check on their actions. If you want to maintain a balance of power, then we are doing the right thing in making China think twice about any action they may want to take.

Our best course of action is to show our enemies that we take being attacked seriously and we will fight until the threat is destroyed. Not until we have taught them a good lesson, but until the threat is eliminated. The lesson from history is that if we don't destroy them, we'll have to fight them again, later. Cross reference North Korea, the Barbary Pirates (as a counter-example), and yes, even Saddam Hussein, who has attempted to kill a former president, who routinely tried to kill our pilots, and who provided refuge and financing for terrorists.

It comes down to that old saying: You can start the fight,but I'll finish it.

We haven't finished the fight with Islamist dictators and terrorists while there are any still breathing.

If the next set of bad guys learns the lesson, great. If not, then we'll destroy them, too.

And no, I don't feel bad that we are the greatest power in the world, capable of doing whatever we want whenever we want. I feel proud of it.

We are using our might to destroy evil. That's the way it should be.

69 posted on 03/21/2005 6:12:59 PM PST by EvilOverlord (America....a shining city on a hill...freedom burning bright)
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To: David Noles
"We've never had much of a stick in the middle east but after the aphgan war , we had enough to deter the terrorist considering we ran them out of home base."

You keep asserting things with no factual basis. Where is your proof that we "had enough to deter the terrorist thread" after we rran them out of home base--the bombing in Spain? What kind of terrorist threat would we have been just fine with post-Afghanistan? Another 9-11, and then we'd have attacked again? Well, obviously, considering the AQ attacks post Afghanistan, booting them out of there didn't solve everything, now did it? Oh, right, those attacks wouldn't have happened if we just stayed in Afghanistan. Your evidence of this being...?

"We had enough troops to make Iran and syria think twice without directly threatening them , without making china and Russia feel threatened. We had the world on our side after 911 when we went to war in aphgan."

And you know this...how? Should be easy enough to site your proof.

"If you don't know about what china and Russia are up to then your head has been in the sand."

How about knocking off the smartalec crap when you don't have any facts--which you haven't quoted a singele one of?

"They percieve us as a loose cannon bent on reshaping the world in our image at any cost , which is a direct threat to their interest which they are prepared to protect at any cost."

OK, ONE MORE TIME...this has changed since our war on terror HOW? Are you trying to say China and Russia had no ambitions until we attacked Iraq? Someone's got his head in the sand, but it ain't me.

So to sum up, you've provided NO evidence that China, Russia, Syria and Iran have changed their stances since we invaded Iraq, but WE are the ones quoting talking points?

I guess you just know, huh? Don't need any "facts", you just KNOW.

70 posted on 03/21/2005 6:21:26 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Agnostic for life)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. Excellent article.


71 posted on 03/21/2005 6:21:59 PM PST by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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To: EvilOverlord

Excellent post!


72 posted on 03/21/2005 6:33:57 PM PST by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: Common Tator
A great nations contemporaries never love them. They fear and respect them.

That is a great statement.

73 posted on 03/21/2005 6:52:51 PM PST by jveritas
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To: David Noles
Democrats should love Bush.

Yep, Democrat should adore President Bush for making them a minority party for at least the next twenty years.

74 posted on 03/21/2005 6:54:34 PM PST by jveritas
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To: David Noles
The war in Iraq has sent us down a slippery slope.

Like 8.5 millions Iraqis going to vote for a democratic government for the first time in their history.

Like the Lebanese people encouraged by our presence in Iraq and the Iraqi election went to the streets to demand the end of the brutal occupation of Lebanon by the Syrian terrorist regime and its puppet government.

Like Egypt allowing for the first time multi parties candidates to run for President.

Such a slippery slope!

75 posted on 03/21/2005 6:58:46 PM PST by jveritas
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To: COEXERJ145
I know this because I will be one of the people writing it and teaching it to our future generations.

I am glad that you are a writer and teacher of History. We need people like you my friend :)

76 posted on 03/21/2005 7:05:12 PM PST by jveritas
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To: politicalwit; COEXERJ145
Unfortunately our future generations will be so far in DEBT they wouldn't have time to read your your fiction tales.

His fiction tales?! why? because he will write and teach the truth about one of greatest Presidents, President George W Bush.

77 posted on 03/21/2005 7:07:45 PM PST by jveritas
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To: politicalwit
Please, after 30 years of being a registered republican I can proudly say that I am no longer a republican. I am now a conservative independent. My 2004 vote was not wasted on a leftest RINO by the name of Bush. No party punch for me.

Good for showing your true colors. The 11th commandment shall not apply on you then because your are no more a Republican.

78 posted on 03/21/2005 7:10:29 PM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas

Just remember this is coming from someone who thinks that President Bush is part of a NOW conspiracy to turn U.S. sovereignty over to the U.N. and/or Mexico.


79 posted on 03/21/2005 7:14:52 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: Darkwolf377

Excellent points.


80 posted on 03/21/2005 7:14:56 PM PST by jveritas
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