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President Bush Signs Schiavo Bill
3/21/05

Posted on 03/20/2005 10:27:51 PM PST by paltz

As Per Fox News


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; billsigning; bush43; parentsrights; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo; terrislaw
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To: freedomdefender; tort_feasor

Well, here is a post from someone who does seem to know what a bill of attainder is and his assessment:

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RE. "bill of attainder", here is a clarifying post by "tort_feasor":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1366776/posts?page=38#38

I'm a lawyer and my first thought was that it was a bill of attainder. However, I lookd up the history and a key element is missing. A bill of attainder seeks to punish a single person without trial. Here there is no punishment therefore it should pass constitutional muster. Some examples of bills for single persons. Chrysler Bail out, Bills making individuals citizens, Gold Medals for Schwartzkopf at end of Gulf War.

38 posted on 03/20/2005 2:26:47 PM PST by tort_feasor

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161 posted on 03/20/2005 11:08:57 PM PST by FairOpinion (http://www.helpterri.com)
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To: Zivasmate

That was a lame response. I'm not familiar with the Talmud and while it is a beautiful thought, I am too tired to quite understand the full meaning and intent of it.


162 posted on 03/20/2005 11:08:59 PM PST by Aliska
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To: PhiKapMom

flaglady47 is an interesting character.


163 posted on 03/20/2005 11:09:01 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Honestfreedom
Why or why didn't Congress just make it a general law applying to anyone in her situation?? Right now it reads like a totally unconstitutional bill of attainder.

It's not a Bill of Attainder. It does not find her guilty of anything nor punish her. It's no different than any other legislation directed at a single person -- for instance the awarding of a Congressional Medal of Honor.

What specifically about it makes you think it is unconstitutional?

165 posted on 03/20/2005 11:09:23 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Because the Dems would not go for the more expansive bill.

The Republicans wanted that, but time was a wasting and they had to try for this.


166 posted on 03/20/2005 11:09:27 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: TBP; Admin Moderator
sigh...this was posted when it was 1st announced on tv and not on the web yet ....but here..

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050321/D88V6PR00.html

167 posted on 03/20/2005 11:09:43 PM PST by paltz
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To: jackibutterfly

If all else fails, can W issue an Executive Order? If Clinton and other past Presidents can issue last minute pardons for criminals, why couldn't Bush do this for Terri?


168 posted on 03/20/2005 11:09:50 PM PST by whadizit (an)
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To: satchmodog9

Thank you and welcome aboard on the side of Terri.


169 posted on 03/20/2005 11:10:20 PM PST by mjtobias (Michael et al. aren't trying to starve Terri because she's dying, but because she isn't. - supercat)
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To: jackibutterfly
Can the FL court strike it down again as unconstitutional??

Nope. For now it's out of their hands.

170 posted on 03/20/2005 11:10:41 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: JennysCool

Perhaps he is the best she can do. Even Scott Peterson is getting marriage proposals!!


171 posted on 03/20/2005 11:11:10 PM PST by whadizit (an)
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To: mjtobias

Thanks. This country owes Terri's parents and those attorneys who worked so selflessly for them and Terri and for life, hugely, imo.


172 posted on 03/20/2005 11:11:13 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Exactly. Or, as a Chicom might say, Ed Zachary!
173 posted on 03/20/2005 11:11:20 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: Zivasmate

It's more than just saving a single life - if indeed she was allowed to starve to death, it would set a dangerous precedent - hearsay would become sufficient for yanking someone off life support. Mrs. Schiavo left no will, no written instructions, etc. - all we have is the word of her husband that the plug should be pulled. How many other "inconvenient" people would find their plug pulled if this precedent would be allowed to stand?

Regards, Ivan


174 posted on 03/20/2005 11:11:31 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: GeekDejure
That's really beautiful, Geek. :)

Thank you President Bush - you ROCK!

175 posted on 03/20/2005 11:11:44 PM PST by Libertina (Hey temporary Governor Christine Gregoire - don't get too comfortable in that mansion!)
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To: whadizit

Oh yeah. Good point.


176 posted on 03/20/2005 11:12:16 PM PST by JennysCool ("Only lie about the future." -Johnny Carson)
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To: Zivasmate
What I don't support is the eagerness for overwhelming federal intrusion into a state issue, as long as it's for "our" causes. I refuse to make anything and everything a federal issue; the Constitution provides for enumerated powers, and that's all.

The issue is whether her husband has the ultimate responsibility to convey her wishes; that's a state issue. Even the Supreme Court recognized there are limits to federal authority, for once.

177 posted on 03/20/2005 11:12:22 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Aliska

Talmudic sayings quite often require some deep thought, and when one is tired, that could impede one's clarity of mind.

Good night and sweet dreams.


178 posted on 03/20/2005 11:12:25 PM PST by Zivasmate (" A wise man's heart inclines him to his right, but a fool's heart to his left." - Ecclesiastes 10)
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To: WhoNeedsTickets

You have been on freerepublic 1 day and your already fighting with members.. Jeeze, great way to start out.


179 posted on 03/20/2005 11:12:56 PM PST by Next_Time_NJ (NJ demorat exterminator)
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To: Aliska
It was used prominently in 'Schindler's List'.
180 posted on 03/20/2005 11:13:00 PM PST by Borges
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