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1 posted on 03/20/2005 8:11:02 AM PST by A. Pole
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Confronted with inconvenient facts, outsourcing’s apologists moved to the next level of fantasy.

Free trade bump!

2 posted on 03/20/2005 8:11:55 AM PST by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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We insource more than outsource. End of story, you whiner.


3 posted on 03/20/2005 8:12:29 AM PST by T. Jefferson
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US' brain drain is India's brain gain

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1366557/posts


4 posted on 03/20/2005 8:15:36 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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Blah, blah, same old rant about how America is going down in flames. And as always, it's wrong. The late 90s bubble was just a taste of things to come, a prelude. The new economy values knowledge, not manufacturing capacity. Yet this guy wants us to protect and invest in unprofitable and commodified industries. Here's a clue: let the market do its job. It's worked wonders in the past and will do so in the future.


6 posted on 03/20/2005 8:16:12 AM PST by billybudd
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Now where do you stand on:

1. The education system is all about social engineering not electronic engineering?

2. Union activism has brought down the steel and most manuufacturing industries.

3. Lawyers and environmentalists have made it prohibitive to build new power plants and refineries, nevermind drill for oil.

14 posted on 03/20/2005 8:24:06 AM PST by Calusa ( ... Oh, sweet Gaia, I'm gonna heave!")
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R & D is the last straw. What it means is that the U.S. will now lag behind innovation, and will not be producing even that at home.

In some areas the U.S. is already a second rate nation, and the numbers of those areas will expand exponentially.

What you see are the useful idiots having their say. They've managed us this far into irrelevence, and seek more.

The U.S. did not become a nation second to none by purchasing products from offshore. It cannot remain a nation second to none by doing so.


20 posted on 03/20/2005 8:28:08 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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The U.S. dollar will not be able to maintain its role as world reserve currency when it is being abandoned by that area of the world that is rapidly becoming the manufacturing, engineering and innovation powerhouse.

Why do we care about being the world's reserves ? If other countries want us to buy from them, they have to take dollars. Period. No dollars, no trade. So, they then have to buy things from us in order to get rid of their dollars. Yes, we are financing our current spending by having foreigners buy T bills. So what ? We are still the safest place to stash money. If our economy sinks, so does the world's. The euro may be rising, but the economies underlying the euro are in big trouble. Would you want to invest in socialist countries like France, Germany, Belgium, England, Holland etc etc ? What do they produce but high unemployment and big welfare lines ?

China ? Would you invest in a Communist country ? India ? Still reeks of socialism and regulated markets.

If we'd just cut the domestic deficit, cut tax rates, and lighten up on regulation, this economy would rival anything China and India could produce.

27 posted on 03/20/2005 8:38:16 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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72 posted on 03/20/2005 9:48:00 AM PST by traumer
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In a pure capitalist free market, Americans would have their tanks, ships and fighter aircraft built in China by workers who can do the work a lot cheaper.

Does that make sense?

If all manufacturing is off-shore, how do we protect our shore?

A country that makes nothing IS nothing.

96 posted on 03/20/2005 10:29:47 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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A country cannot be a superpower without a high-tech economy, and America’s high-tech economy is eroding as I write.

A decent hypothesis for an essay. The essay should disprove the assertion on two grounds in this case.

115 posted on 03/20/2005 12:42:50 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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btt


117 posted on 03/20/2005 12:48:06 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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bookmark


122 posted on 03/20/2005 12:59:17 PM PST by moehoward
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We'll end up like england. A glut of lawyers and insurance companies and a few land barons, and not much else.

I don't care what the rich snobby people say, we need manufacturing. All wealth is derived from the land. THat is a universal truth. THat means farming and the process of aquiring raw materials and transforming raw materials into finished product.

When you reach a point when your entire economy is based on accumulating wealth from paper and entertainment, you are headed down a dead end road. THat is a non-sustainable situation. It can be propped up for a period, but inevitably, it will implode.

We have already reached a point where our college educations are becoming pointless. More younger people are opting out of a traditional 4 year degree these days. They go to some accelerated program, and get just the minimum required to qualify for the promotion they are up for. And in the very technical fields, they don't even bother with that.


128 posted on 03/20/2005 1:20:37 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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all true. fine essay by mr. roberts


147 posted on 03/20/2005 4:07:39 PM PST by dennisw ("What is Man that thou art mindful of him")
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As I have posted time and again - US tech is dead. The erosion is constant - headcount reduction, offshoring, zero or negative wage growth for those that do have jobs, the engineering college programs would be closing up if not for enrollment of foreign nationals.

All you neeed to do was look at last week's corporate earnings reports to see it - General Motors, once the backbone of US technology in manufacturing - a company that does complex things - engineering, manufacturing, taking nothing and making something out of it - is dying. Who is doing well? The brokerage houses are cleaning up. You can see the dichotomy - companies that push paper, that borrow money from the Fed and split bonds into a dozen pieces and resell the paper, are cleaning up. While GM is dying. Can we build an economic base on paper, on debt and arbitrage and hedge plays? Is that economy going to be able to serve the economic needs or the broad american middle class, or are just the wall street and corporate elites going to make millions?


149 posted on 03/20/2005 4:32:53 PM PST by oceanview
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A country cannot be a superpower without a high-tech economy, and America’s high-tech economy is eroding as I write.

The erosion began when U.S. corporations outsourced manufacturing.

Lost me here. If it can be manufactured by anybody, it's not high-tech.

169 posted on 03/20/2005 8:10:48 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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Another rant against the Free-market economy, I thought the discussion ended when the Berlin wall fell.
182 posted on 03/21/2005 5:52:31 AM PST by sanchez810
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Just think, if technology finds a food source that does not depend on plants. What if it could be done in the lab? What would happen to the dollar if there was no more need for feed grains?

Good for China, that's for sure.

283 posted on 03/21/2005 3:14:06 PM PST by Bogie
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Once the real estate bubble pops, lookout.


303 posted on 03/21/2005 9:00:27 PM PST by John Lenin (What problem ?)
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Meanwhile, the Grand Old Party has passed a bankruptcy "reform" that is certain to turn unemployed Americans living on debt and beset with unpayable medical bills into the indentured servants of credit card companies. The steely-faced Bush administration is making certain that Americans will experience to the full their country’s fall.

I don't believe they would intend to do this to the country...but they can clearly be blindered to it. Scales have been allowed to form over their eyes, and their hearts hardened. I saw where the U.S. trustee's office claimed only 5% of bankruptcies had medical debt. A casual survey of the schedules of actual filings show it is in fact more like 30-to-50% as claimed by Bankruptcy practitioners. Sickening.

336 posted on 03/23/2005 7:40:53 AM PST by Paul Ross ("Nothing that is morally wrong can be politically right." -William Gladstone)
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