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Hospitals can end life support; Decision hinges on patient's ability to pay, prognosis
Houston Chronicle ^ | March 8, 2005 | LEIGH HOPPER

Posted on 03/19/2005 7:19:45 PM PST by ambrose

March 8, 2005, 12:33AM

Hospitals can end life support Decision hinges on patient's ability to pay, prognosis

By LEIGH HOPPER

Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

A patient's inability to pay for medical care combined with a prognosis that renders further care futile are two reasons a hospital might suggest cutting off life support, the chief medical officer at St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital said Monday.

Dr. David Pate's comments came as the family of Spiro Nikolouzos fights to keep St. Luke's from turning off the ventilator and artificial feedings keeping the 68-year-old grandfather alive.

St. Luke's notified Jannette Nikolouzos in a March 1 letter that it would withdraw life-sustaining care of her husband of 34 years in 10 days, which would be Friday. Mario Caba-llero, the attorney representing the family, said he is seeking a two-week extension, at minimum, to give the man more time to improve and to give his family more time to find an alternative facility.

Caballero said he would discuss that issue with hospital attorneys today.

Pate said he could not address Nikolouzos' case specifically because he doesn't have permission from the family but could talk about the situation in general.

"If there is agreement on the part of all the physicians that the patient does have an irreversible, terminal illness," he said, "we're not going to drag this on forever ...

"When the hospital is really correct and the care is futile ... you're not going to find many hospitals or long-term acute care facilities (that) want to take that case," he said. "Any facility that's going to be receiving a patient in that condition ... is going to want to be paid for it, of course."

Patient showed emotion

Caballero said he believes the hospital wants to discontinue care because Nikolouzos' Medicare funding is running out.

Spiro Nikolouzos, a retired electrical engineer for an oil drilling company, has been an invalid since 2001, when he experienced bleeding related to a shunt in his brain. Jannette Nikolouzos, 58, had cared for her husband at their Friendswood home, feeding him via a tube in his stomach. Her husband couldn't speak, she said, but recognized family members and showed emotion.

On Feb. 10, the area around the tube started bleeding, and Nikolouzos rushed her husband to St. Luke's for emergency care. Early the next morning, she said, the hospital called and said he had "coded" and stopped breathing and had to be placed on a ventilator.

A neurologist told her, she said, that he is not brain-dead and the part of the brain that controls breathing is still functioning. Although his eyes were open and fixed when he first was placed on the ventilator, he has started blinking, she said.

A missed opportunity

Dr. Marcia Levetown, director of palliative care at The Methodist Hospital, said moving Nikolouzos to a nursing home or other type of facility may not be an option if his body is dependent on several types of technology, such as mechanical ventilation and kidney dialysis.

Levetown said when families and hospitals take their disagreements to court, it often means the hospital has missed an important opportunity in the family's emotional healing.

Often missing from aggressive medical care is empathy for family members and acknowledgment of grief, she said.

"The acknowledgment of 'You clearly love your husband very much. You've done the good fight' " makes a difference, she said. Levetown also tells families, "Whatever might be beneficial, you've made sure he's gotten that. We all wish he could get better ... How can we best honor this man ... as we accompany him in his next journey?"

Law allows removal

State law allows doctors to remove patients from life support if the hospital's ethics committee agrees, but it requires that the hospital give families 10 days to find another facility.

A similar case is still in the courts. Texas Children's Hospital wants to discontinue life support on 5-month-old Sun Hudson, who was diagnosed shortly after birth with a fatal form of dwarfism. His mother, Wanda Hudson, wants her son's care to continue at the hospital.

On Wednesday, a judge will consider whether Harris County Probate Court judge William McCulloch may remain on the Hudson case. Caballero, who represents Wanda Hudson, filed a motion that McCulloch remove himself from the case after making what Caballero said were biased statements.

leigh.hopper@chron.com


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To: null and void

With talent like I have, I don't need to. (And with my chest, it's just as well.)


21 posted on 03/19/2005 9:23:35 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

Didn't stop Brandy Chastain...


22 posted on 03/19/2005 9:34:09 PM PST by null and void (Even if Terri didn't want to live like that, it doesn't follow that she wants to die like THIS!)
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To: null and void

Oh, alright. Go get your magnifying glass, and let me know when you're ready.


23 posted on 03/19/2005 9:37:07 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: annyokie

And how many of the screaming ravens that call for another civil war over Terri would have done so if she were, say, 102 yrs of age? Makes one wonder indeed.


24 posted on 03/19/2005 9:37:27 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: BykrBayb

I'm like a battery. Everready...


25 posted on 03/19/2005 9:39:06 PM PST by null and void (Even if Terri didn't want to live like that, it doesn't follow that she wants to die like THIS!)
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To: Sola Veritas

So youre a fan of Benny Hinn?


26 posted on 03/19/2005 9:39:31 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: BykrBayb
It looks to me as if Medicare and Medicaid this year add up to a trillion $'s. Where does it go? Well, it seems to me that the radiologists lobbied Washington two or three years ago. Now my docs say they are required by law to offer me a $1500 colonoscopy and mamagram every time I go. You would just need to be around it to see the Medicare money machine. They would have us going to docs and specialists all of the time if we agreed.

Apparently we are paying more during the last year of people's lives than for health care during the whole rest of their lives combined, and this is about 25%. Elderly, sick people get expensive surgeries that just makes the end of their lives miserable.

There are 6 million incompetent people in nursing homes @ $3000/mo. And Bush says 20% of the cost can be wrung out by using IT. I'll bet there is lots of this life-support dispute. I know my neighbor just got drunk and stayed drunk for 6 months when docs suggested it to her. While I uderstood it was hard to face, I also knew the public was paying.

27 posted on 03/19/2005 9:40:06 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt

Thank you for the English translation to that poster. It's pretty close to the original.


28 posted on 03/19/2005 9:43:27 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: null and void

Sorry. Changed my mind. The crowd in here is getting bigger, and I'm getting stage fright.


29 posted on 03/19/2005 9:45:20 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sarasmom

Better said than I would have done. Thanks for your response to her.


30 posted on 03/19/2005 9:46:50 PM PST by PAR35
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To: BykrBayb

There's always FReepmail...


31 posted on 03/19/2005 9:47:04 PM PST by null and void (Even if Terri didn't want to live like that, it doesn't follow that she wants to die like THIS!)
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To: null and void

Check yours.


32 posted on 03/19/2005 9:47:57 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

WOW! That's some boob!

ma'am...


33 posted on 03/19/2005 9:49:51 PM PST by null and void (Even if Terri didn't want to live like that, it doesn't follow that she wants to die like THIS!)
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To: null and void

Yes. I certainly think so!


34 posted on 03/19/2005 9:50:56 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: annyokie
How many resources should be spent on palliative therapy?

None, every red-blooded American male should have the right to a pliable judge so he can kill any parent, wife, child, dog, or cat that interferes with his pursuit of pleasure.

Did I forget anything ?

35 posted on 03/19/2005 9:51:02 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: ClaireSolt
You have to do something with those extra 5 to 10 years you get from not smoking.
May as well get paid to watch your body fall apart.
36 posted on 03/19/2005 9:51:39 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: Windsong

"So youre a fan of Benny Hinn?"

No, I am a follower of Jesus Christ, God the Son. If He choses to heal He can and will. Prayer is never a waste, even if the answer is no.

On the other hand, Benny Hinn is a heretic and fraud. Don't equate him with Christianity and Faith in God.


37 posted on 03/19/2005 9:55:32 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: null and void

I assume it was a picture of one or both of the Clintons.


38 posted on 03/19/2005 9:56:11 PM PST by lastchance (Life is sacred.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Estranged wife, ex-wife, mother-in-law, father-in-law, sister, brother, neighbor....


39 posted on 03/19/2005 9:56:25 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: lastchance

Close.


40 posted on 03/19/2005 9:57:50 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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