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Terri Schiavo's Slow Painful Death Begins
NATIONAL LEDGER.COM ^ | MARCH 18, 2005 | JB WILLIAMS

Posted on 03/18/2005 7:06:36 PM PST by freeholland

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To: 8mmMauser; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...

Can you give us any first hand facts about what happened today? Did Terri cry out? Did she get the Viaticum?


41 posted on 03/18/2005 7:54:34 PM PST by narses (St James the Moor-slayer, Pray for us! +)
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To: LisaMalia

Please see my recent posts. They plan to cremate Terri and destroy all evidence immediately, no autopsy per our blind justice greer.


42 posted on 03/18/2005 7:55:02 PM PST by 8mmMauser ( www.ChristtheKingMaine.com Vade satana!)
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To: Chu Gary
I haven't lived in Holland for 20 years. I left precisely because of the rampant liberalism, plus invasion of the country which has gone unchecked by the government for at least 4 or 5 decades.

I have embraced America with all of my heart. I could not possibly have succeeded in life without the advantages and opportunities of my adopted country. I adore the United States, and I have always been a strong conservative - by nature.

Just because a person was born in Holland does not automatically mean that he or she is in agreement with the social mores there.

What if all of "Europa" judged every American by the standards of Whoopi Goldberg, Michael Moore and all of the outrageous excesses of the Hollywood crowd?

Our president said, in his RNC convention acceptance speech, "The heart and soul of America is not in Hollywood!" There are thousands of Dutch men and women who represent the heart and soul of The Netherlands, and there always have been such good people. Unfortunately, they are being drowned out by voices (like the ones at Radio City Music Hall last summer) who do not represent the heart and soul of Holland, or speak for the Dutch people.

"free holland" means that I dream of a Holland that will one day be free of the extreme liberalism that is choking it to death.

43 posted on 03/18/2005 7:56:40 PM PST by freeholland (in memory of Theo Van Gogh)
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To: LisaMalia

There is a much more detailed and accurate timeline here:

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/WolfsonReport.pdf

This is an official report prepared for Gov. Bush in 2003 when he requested an official inquiry into Terri's condition.


44 posted on 03/18/2005 7:57:33 PM PST by KingKenrod
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To: Windsong

That is YOUR choice - you do not speak for Terri and neither does Michael or Judge Greer.


45 posted on 03/18/2005 7:57:36 PM PST by ClancyJ (Sometimes we're a think tank, and sometimes we're just a tank ! - SlowBoat 407)
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To: freeholland

46 posted on 03/18/2005 7:57:54 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: goldstategop

Agree.

Some are also guided by guilt and by the desire for the ability to freely decide when wealthy relatives must move out of the way.

We must realize not everyone sincerely feels all should have the right to life and the pursuit of happiness - only those more powerful do.


47 posted on 03/18/2005 7:59:47 PM PST by ClancyJ (Sometimes we're a think tank, and sometimes we're just a tank ! - SlowBoat 407)
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To: goldstategop

I wonder if it is because this is Florida and there must be a very strong coalition of the death cult.

I noticed that even Rush hemed and hawed today when a caller started making accusations of Michael's motives?

Could he be afraid to taunt the Florida legal system?


48 posted on 03/18/2005 8:01:26 PM PST by ClancyJ (Sometimes we're a think tank, and sometimes we're just a tank ! - SlowBoat 407)
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To: LisaMalia

No sorry,

Michael has already set up immediate cremation. Sounds like a real loving husband doesn't it? Or, does it sound like murder most foul with state support?


49 posted on 03/18/2005 8:03:56 PM PST by ClancyJ (Sometimes we're a think tank, and sometimes we're just a tank ! - SlowBoat 407)
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To: narses

Terri was strong and in good cheer as I left around dusk, got it first hand from the Schindler attorney who just came out. Terri was seated in a reclining chair.

All I can say about the other is she is in good hands as you and I would understand it. Deo gratias.


50 posted on 03/18/2005 8:12:09 PM PST by 8mmMauser ( www.ChristtheKingMaine.com Vade satana!)
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To: ClancyJ
Michael has already set up immediate cremation. Sounds like a real loving husband doesn't it? Or, does it sound like murder most foul with state support?

Gee, what a surprise. Like I have said, if the worst happens, an autopsy should be done. Unfortunately, looks like another one getting away with......, and profiting from it as well. Sickening.

51 posted on 03/18/2005 8:16:30 PM PST by LisaMalia (Today is the first day...of the rest of our lives.....)
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To: 8mmMauser

Thank you. God be with you and Terri this terrible weekend.


52 posted on 03/18/2005 8:17:21 PM PST by narses (St James the Moor-slayer, Pray for us! +)
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To: Windsong
Heaven is awaiting her, with billions of archangels and you clowns want to keep her from it.

Well, heaven was waiting for Lacy Peterson and her unborn child but it happened to be a crime to deliberately hasten their departure.

Some people did not see Scott Peterson as doing his wife and unborn child a big favor by hastening their introduction to the archangels.

Heaven might be your reward, too, but do you want us setting your accelerated departure date and time at OUR earliest convenience?

Maybe it's cruel to keep the elderly from their heavenly reward. Shall we set a specific age for departure to streamline the whole process and send our loved ones on an express train to the archangels?

If heaven is the great reward, why not rush everyone there ASAP? We'd be doing them a favor. What are we waiting for?

53 posted on 03/18/2005 8:30:56 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: LegalEagle61

From the time Terri was 18, she was no longer the legal responsibility of her parents, and equally, her parents no longer had the right to make legal decisions on her behalf.

While I truly empathize with her parents, having to contend with the heartache of seeing their child go before they do, I just have a hard time understanding why some people are able to demonstrate compassion, humanity, selflessness and maturity in making these types of decisions regarding their pets, yet they remain blinded to their actions that run absolutely to the contrary when it comes to their own flesh and blood.

The only thing that separates humans from the rest of the animal kingdom is what's going on between our ears.

Terri Schiavo is, for all intents and purposes, dead, and has been for 15 years.

I find it rather revolting, selfish behavior to think there's any quality or value to her life that merits prolonging a shell of one's existence merely to reinforce or propagate one's religious beliefs.

With all due respect, her parents are not doctors, and apparently are in such a deep state of denial, that they refuse to acknowledge the medical fact that Terri's cerebral cortex is gone. It was destroyed by the loss of oxygen she suffered when she had a heart attack 15 years ago. Once gone, the cortex cannot grow back. The space it once occupied in Schiavo's skull is now filled with spinal fluid.

The cortex does all our thinking. Some people argue that it's responsible for personhood. Without a cortex, you can't think, feel, have consciousness.

Schiavo is awake but not aware. Parts of her brain that control reflexes and other basic bodily functions still work. So she can sleep, breathe, blink and make the other moves that fuel the faith of those who seek to save her.

Her lack of consciousness is so complete that Schiavo cannot perceive thirst or hunger. She doesn't have the brain structures necessary for that kind of perception.

What you or I would undeniably experience as torture is not what Terri Schiavo will have to suffer through over the next week or so.

And, over the next several days, should there be an indication from her signaling any discomfort, you can rest assured there would be grounds to re-assess the severity of her condition.

This is common everyday practice in hospices throughout America.

Two of my grandparents were terminally ill; one with cancer, the other with advanced Parkinson's, each in their 80's, and both were humanely allowed to die in hospice care, by discontinuing their nourishment.

It is essential that in circumstances such as this, where there is no living will, that federal guidelines and parameters are established to give someone like Michael Schiavo the right to make this decision without the possibility of legal interference from her parents or other parties.

Hopefully, this will trigger a national awareness campaign to encourage all adults, especially those who are married, to have a living will drafted, to ensure our wishes our respected, even if we can no longer speak. This battle between the husband and her parents was avoidable, and there's a lesson to be learned in that.

Let's hope the nine Supreme Court justices, eight of whom are already over 65, will ensure that, when their time comes in the not-too-distant future, that they don't have to endure an existence devoid of any quality of life.

They will be hearing the Oregon physician-assisted suicide case in the court's next term, which begins in October.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/22/s...ted.suicide.ap/

If, God forbid, Terri Schiavo is really 'alive' and has been 'in there' all this time for the past 15 years, she would be suffering an unfathomable, vacuous, grueling, interminable, torturous living hell I would never wish upon my worst enemy.

The humane thing is to let her die.


54 posted on 03/18/2005 8:33:26 PM PST by miami_colt
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To: miami_colt
With all due respect, her parents are not doctors,

With all due respect, her doctors (HINO picked doctors) are not God

55 posted on 03/18/2005 8:35:31 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: FairOpinion
1997

May - Judge Shames approves Schiavo action to remove Terri's nutrition and hydration.

Jul - Schiavo's engagement to Jodi Centonze announced.

I was not aware of this. Engagement in anticipation... of...?

(yes, we know the answer)

56 posted on 03/18/2005 8:39:36 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

1997

May - Judge Shames approves Schiavo action to remove Terri's nutrition and hydration.

Jul - Schiavo's engagement to Jodi Centonze announced.

Aug - Attorney Felos's letter notifying Terri's parents of action to remove Terri's nutrition and hydration.


57 posted on 03/18/2005 8:43:41 PM PST by FairOpinion (http://www.helpterri.com)
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To: The Red Zone

True, but all doctors are licensed to play God. Our society entrusts them with our health; and each day we put our faith in their hands to help us get better and many times to save our lives.

There also comes a time when a doctor has done everything in his power to help and still the patient will not get better.

Terri Schiavo is at that point in time. She will soon be in God's hands.


58 posted on 03/18/2005 9:05:42 PM PST by miami_colt
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To: miami_colt

Au contraire, Mikey has obstructed many, many things that could have helped Terri get better -- at least, to swallow.


59 posted on 03/18/2005 9:07:38 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: Lexinom

Yeah that video is very interesting.
It totally demonstrates that she does react.
Which is why persistent vegatative state as a diagnosis is bulltacko.


Personally I want to be sent off to Valhalla forever if I'm still in an incapacitated state within 3 years of a gross disability.

But thats me, not her.
No one knows what she wants. Her parents want her to keep existing on this plane, they love her dearly and will take good care of her.

Terri's husband appears to be a blowhard who just wants her gone, so he can feel good about getting on with his life.

Even if she really did tell her husband that she wanted to die should she ever be in this state, she doesnt appear to be suffering emotionally.

Watching the videos she looks to be quite comfortable.
To take someone who has at least a modicum of awareness and subject them dehydration induced demise seems quite barbaric.
Nice sleepytime passing for serial killers in our country but not for an innocent woman.
That I don't understand.
http://johnsipos.com/terrivideos/how's%20that%20cold.rm


60 posted on 03/18/2005 9:19:23 PM PST by Selkie (Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.)
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