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Feeding Tube Being Removed: Greer Gives Order
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Posted on 03/18/2005 10:41:59 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

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To: Toskrin
Agreed, but the length of the exam is not the most important thing. The patient will probably be the same at the start of the forty-five minutes as at the end. More important is seeing the patient over time, on different days and at different times. The doctor also has to rely on the observations of reliable staff for the assessment. If five nurses tell you the patient talked, then they're not PVS, even if the doctor didn't see it.

Right. And if a patient is cognitive on a short video clip, they're not PVS even if there's a lot of video footage where they're not.

If someone claims they have a Rembrandt landscape, and hands me a Polaroid, I could not judge from such a photo whether it was real. But if the landscape included a McDonald's in the background, even a crummy photograph would be sufficient to declare the painting to be fake.

Likewise, video can't confirm a PVS diagnosis, but it can certainly refute one.

2,061 posted on 03/18/2005 6:06:07 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Do some reading at www.theempirejournal.com


2,062 posted on 03/18/2005 6:09:06 PM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< Impeach Judge Greer http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html)
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To: STARWISE

Heard something on Savage and found it:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007965/posts

"....Greer is legally blind and cannot drive. While his condition doesn't hamper his abilities on the bench, colleagues and others said in interviews last week it gives him a perspective in dealing with the rights of the impaired few jurists have...."
AP | 10/25/03 | Vickie Chachere

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We must tread lightly on this. Perhaps he can function properly as a judge. But, the caller on Savage doesn't think so.

Based on what the Savage caller said, Greer doesn't listen closely enough to compensate. I can certainly understand that. I remember better and comprehend better from reading, word search, etc.


2,063 posted on 03/18/2005 6:09:25 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Profile page streamlined, solely devoted to comfort those crying for Terri.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Oh yes, we've known about his "vision" issue for awhile. Never stopped him from thinking he was omniscient.


2,064 posted on 03/18/2005 6:12:52 PM PST by STARWISE (RIGHT HAS BECOME WRONG -- WRONG HAS BECOME A RIGHT .. PRAY PRAY PRAY FOR TERRI SCHIAVO!)
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To: sarasota; polymuser
Petition to Impeach Judge Greer
2,065 posted on 03/18/2005 6:14:33 PM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< Impeach Judge Greer http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html)
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To: supercat

http://www.casperkitty.com/barrencage/

The visuals were great. Follow along


2,066 posted on 03/18/2005 6:16:51 PM PST by Boardwalk
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
New Reports Discussed on Savage Posted Here:

Read More Here

2,067 posted on 03/18/2005 6:18:13 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: dbreidenbach

I don't know for sure, but I do not think that Tom DeLay is Catholic. I think he is Baptist, but do not have the reference.


2,068 posted on 03/18/2005 6:20:15 PM PST by Theodore R. (Terri has already outlived Eleanor Centzone, but time is running out.)
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To: Theodore R.

Rep. Tom DeLay, R Baptist

Yes, I found the reference under "Religious Affiliation of Congress," and it is the 1999 list.


2,069 posted on 03/18/2005 6:25:38 PM PST by Theodore R. (Terri has already outlived Eleanor Centzone, but time is running out.)
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To: SR92
actually signed up 3 years ago, but since changed ISPs, email addresses etc. Just got a new log-in 4 days ago... so what?


2,070 posted on 03/18/2005 6:27:16 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (This just in from CBS: "There is no bias at CBS")
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To: BykrBayb

I see the Grim, Grinning Reapers are in attendance, as usual.


2,071 posted on 03/18/2005 6:27:48 PM PST by Salamander
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To: pieces of time

I saw that freak saying that.

Did you hear the testimony of the nurse right afterwards about the man who'd had his tube removed and the intense suffering she witnessed?

Devils, all of them.


2,072 posted on 03/18/2005 6:30:30 PM PST by Salamander
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To: ex-Texan

Michael on CNN with Larry King now.


2,073 posted on 03/18/2005 6:31:29 PM PST by mitchbert (Paul Martin is a Spineless Ditherer. That's a Fact. And Facts Are Stubborn Things .)
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To: All

An innocent woman is being starved to death and some find justification for this? So be it.

The rest of us will be spending the foreseeable future contacting our reps, fighting the press, and educating the public of the barbarism being committed here.

That scum attorney is being shown appealing to the soulless people in the Dem party. I'd love to get my hands on him.


2,074 posted on 03/18/2005 6:32:47 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: mitchbert

Two liars talking lies to the other. Why would I want to torture myself by watching?


2,075 posted on 03/18/2005 6:36:43 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Soul Seeker

2,076 posted on 03/18/2005 6:37:00 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: mitchbert
King is clearly taking Terri's side. Repeatedly asking Michael - "Why don't you just give it up?"

Michael blaming government, saying Terri is his whole life (grrrrrrrr). Wants everyone in Florida to call their legislators (he should be careful what he wishes for).

Segment over. I think Terri's sister is up next.

2,077 posted on 03/18/2005 6:37:34 PM PST by mitchbert (Paul Martin is a Spineless Ditherer. That's a Fact. And Facts Are Stubborn Things .)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Hypothetical question;

What if her entire frontal lobe [the "master lobe" responsible for "who we are"/thought/comprehension/self-expression] were nothing but dead scar tissue and spinal fluid and there was absolutely no chance that it would ever "regenerate"?

Would you consider her "alive" or "brain dead"?


2,078 posted on 03/18/2005 6:38:45 PM PST by Salamander
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To: My Favorite Headache

Congress needs to get their act together. Or just arrest that damn judge. And are WE are too civilized to revolt? All we do is talk about "law." It may be time to consider a little revolution to refresh democracy...


2,079 posted on 03/18/2005 6:40:16 PM PST by Libertina (Hey temporary Governor Christine Gregoire - don't get too comfortable in that mansion!)
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To: ex-Texan

King went after him fairly well. I think Terri's sister is coming up. That puts her in the position of rebuttal, and Michael didn't come off well IMO. He came off really slimey, actually.


2,080 posted on 03/18/2005 6:40:21 PM PST by mitchbert (Paul Martin is a Spineless Ditherer. That's a Fact. And Facts Are Stubborn Things .)
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