POLL INDICATES FRENCH MAY VOTE NO TO EU CONSTITUTION (De Gaulle Rolls in Grave)

The Tocqueville Connection ^ | 17 March 2005 | The Tocqueville Connection

[johnb838]

To paraphrase General Patton, I'd rather have an french enemy in front of me than a french "friend" in back of me.

[johnb838]

I suspect that the coddling of islamists is a motive for this apparent "mini-revolt" by the proles.

[ml1954]

And BTW, if that EU constitution is adopted

I think you may have missed something. See post #3. I thought I was unambiguous, but in my joy may have given a different impression. I'm not for the EU Constitution.

I also think we are basically like minded. France is a big fish in an increasingly smaller European pond. However, the other fish in that pond increasingly have options to move to a bigger pond that France is not in.

[WOSG]

"There's no possibility that the EU would allow the "NO" to win. Even if 65% voted, they would find a way to change that."

Ah, they need to borrow Hugo Chavez's voting machines!

[Wolfstar]

But the French electorate, angry over economic and labour reforms imposed by the conservative government...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...in their dreams. It's only "conservative" in comparison to communism.

[Soul Seeker]

Oh, I'm not under impression you are in favor of the Constitution.

However, the other fish in that pond increasingly have options to move to a bigger pond that France is not in.

Conditional agreement provided the Constitution is not adopted. Once bound to that Constitution those options are significantly reduced. Unfortunately I am of opinion Europe will adopt the Constitution even if it suffers a few setbacks.

[Vicomte13]

It can't bring down Chirac's government. He's elected to a fixed term, like the US President.

It might bring down his center-right control of Parliament and return it to the Socialist/Communist "gauche plurielle".
Who can say?
But a stolen election is only possible if the vote is close, and if the People get wind of a real stolen election in France, that WILL bring down Chirac. There will be general strikes and a nationwide - peaceful - revolution.
The French do not take shit from their government.
When they are angry, really angry, they go into the streets by the millions, and the government ALWAYS caves, because the alternative is that the French go into the streets by the tens of millions. And then they start going into government buildings and pulling people out. French union tactics are thuggish and violent, and the Communists oppose this EU vote.

I do not think the government will be able to truly pull off an election theft in France. For one thing, there will not be electronic voting. For another, the vote counters and folks carrying the ballots around by truck will all be Communist union syndicated members. They will be vigilant.

This EU Constitution is a "bridge too far", to use an expression I like a lot. It is not good for France. It is good for the Enarques, because they believe they will rule Europe. But they will slip out of the control of the French. Of course, there will be a full-court-press of persuasion.

I think it will not pass.

[jackbenimble]

There's no possibility that the EU would allow the "NO" to win

It will be just like the Governor's Race in Washington State. They will keep recounting until they get the result they want.

[ml1954]

I am very grateful to Victor Davis Hanson for his book "The Soul Of Battle". He made me really understand how great a General and leader Patton was. His analysis will be with me the rest of my life.

[RaginRak]

Kerryism at work

[ml1954]

Unfortunately I am of opinion Europe will adopt the Constitution even if it suffers a few setbacks.

I hope not, but if so... c'est la vie.

[expatpat]

they need to borrow Hugo Chavez's voting machines!

And bring in Jimmy Carter to bless the whole scam.

[Shermy]

"This was originally Napoleon's vision, except with France at the top of the pyramid and himself as Emperor alongside his siblings as rulers of all the other members."

You'll find this old article interesting about Villepin

A romantic driven by the memory of Napoleon

[bert]

.....They have no military power and their economic power is waning, rapidly.......

They will be eclipsed economically by a rapidly expanding and financially powerful Gulf Cooperation Council that will soon add Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon. Egypt ? perhaps.

The vibrant economies East of Suez will produce a darkness across Europe.

[D Rider]

The current fragmented fascist Europe is easer to handle.

You got it.

[sulla07]

Yeah but there not voting for freedom. They are angry because the rest of Europe doesn't have a 24 hr work week like them and by the fact that they might actually have to be productive. Its funny how that evil little imp reality always raises his ugly little head. Now that they have tried to unify the continent under a Gallic flag the rest of the EU expects the french to pull their weight. How dare they!

[ml1954]

The vibrant economies East of Suez will produce a darkness across Europe.

OK. You've convinced me. Where can I invest the dollar in the 'East of Suez' opportunity that I was going to buy a lottery ticker with this week?

Now what should I do with that dollar next week? I think I'll look into the Duchy of Grand Fenwick.

[Captain Peter Blood]

Also their economy is in such a mess a more hard left government will not be able to help only make it worse.

[SedVictaCatoni]

Old joke:

A man walks into a bookstore.

MAN: Excuse me. Do you know where I can find a copy of the French Constitution?
PROPRIETOR: I'm sorry, we don't carry periodicals.