HUTCHISON Amendment (#218) would fund 2,000 border agents.

Thomas ^ | 3-17-05 | Senator HUTCHISON

[Mo1]

The fact is that they went in the first place while an invasion was occurring on their own territory (at the direction of the president.)

Hmmm ... did they go because they are in the reserves/military or because they are a border agent??

I'm guessing it was the reserves/military

And I'm guessing you have a problem with the facts

[Happy2BMe]

You are going to have to realize I am not the only one having a problem with all of these facts . .

(FR Open Border Opinion Poll captured on 13 Feb, 2005 at 10:00 PM EST)

Free Republic Opinion Poll: Please indicate whether or not you support or oppose open borders and illegal immigration.

Composite Opinion
I OPPOSE open borders and illegal immigration.	94.4%		4,020
I SUPPORT open borders and illegal immigration.	2.9%		125
Undecided/Pass.	2.7%		115
	100.0%		4,260
Member Opinion
I OPPOSE open borders and illegal immigration.	94.3%		2,954
Undecided/Pass.	3.4%		105
I SUPPORT open borders and illegal immigration.	2.3%		73
	100.0%		3,132
Non-Member Opinion
I OPPOSE open borders and illegal immigration.	94.5%		1,066
I SUPPORT open borders and illegal immigration.	4.6%		52
Undecided/Pass.	0.9%		10
	100.0%		1,128

[Dane]

I oppose illegal immigration also.

In another FR poll 59%, IIRC, supported some kind of guest worker program.

[Happy2BMe]

Good morning, Dane.

[Dane]

Also your reply #42 doesn't answer MO1's reply #41, IMO.

[Mo1]

You are going to have to realize I am not the only one having a problem with all of these facts . .

Oh please .. that poll proves nothing about what I wrote in my post to you

I voted on that poll also and I voted for the "I OPPOSE open borders and illegal immigration" also

Majority are not for open borders

But we sure as heck would like if many didn't twist the facts

President Bush did not send Border Patrol Agents to Iraq

He sent the Military

Translation: .. If they had not signed up for the reserves .. they then would not have been sent to Iraq

[Happy2BMe]

Translate away guys - I'll be back to read the tea leaves later.

[Howlin]

At least be HONEST with your polls:

Member Opinion
I would approve of a guest worker program if it requires illegals to go home first and apply for entry	27.0%		937
I would not approve of a guest worker program of any kind	20.4%		710
I would approve of a guest worker plan similar to Tancredo's	15.3%		530
I approve of the president's guest worker plan as is or with minor changes	8.8%		304
I might approve of a compromise guest worker program with some of Tancredo's ideas incorporated	8.6%		298
I don't like the wording of this poll and decline to participate	7.7%		266
Immigration from Mexico should not be allowed under any circumstances	7.5%		262
Undecided, other, pass	4.8%		167
	100.1%		3,474
Almost SEVENTY PERCENT of the MEMBERS of this forum approve of SOME KIND of worker's program.

[Mo1]

Translate away guys - I'll be back to read the tea leaves later

Well gee .. by your standards .. I suppose President Bush is for burning down buildings also

Because there are many Fire Fighters that have been sent to Iraq .. when they should be home protecting us from fires

Right???

[Howlin]

Majority are not for open borders

For some reason they will not acknowledge or refer to the poll that shows that almost 70 percent of the people on this forum WANT some kind of worker's program.

IMO, they NEED the issue to JUST be open/closed borders to make their point.

[Mo1]

IMO, they NEED the issue to JUST be open/closed borders to make their point.

I know

I'm more for finding a solution to the problem

[MeekOneGOP]

Maybe Hilary "movin' to the Center" clintoon can
move down here and be her political advisor !

Yikes! The thought of that. :^O

[deport]

Care to guess who make this statement?

In dedicating this magnificent sculpture, may we dedicate ourselves to hastening the day when all God's children live in a world without walls. That would be the greatest empire of all.

And now, let me speak directly to the young people and the students here. I wonder yet if you've appreciated how unusual--terribly unusual--this country of ours is?

I received a letter just before I left office from a man. I don't know why he chose to write it, but I'm glad he did. He wrote that you can go to live in France, but you can't become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany or Italy, but you can't become a German, an Italian. He went through Turkey, Greece, Japan and other countries. but he said anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live in the United States and become an American.

Some may call is mysticism if they will, but I cannot help but feel that there was some divine plan that placed this continent here between the two great oceans to be found by people from any corner of the earth -- people who had an extra ounce of desire for freedom and some extra courage to rise up and lead their families, their relatives, their friends, their nations and come here to eventually make this country.

The truth of the matter is, if we take this crowd and if we could go through and ask the heritage, the background of every family represented here, we would probably come up with the names of every country on earth, every corner of the world, and every race. Here, is the one spot on earth where we have the brotherhood of man. And maybe as we continue with this proudly, this brotherhood of man made up from people representative of every corner of the earth, maybe one day boundaries all over the earth will disappear as people cross boundaries and find out that, yes, there is a brotherhood of man in every corner.

Thank you all and God Bless you all.

Click

[COEXERJ145]

IMO, they NEED the issue to JUST be open/closed borders to make their point.

Borders and immigration isn't the real issue. It is just a means to an end for some.

[One_American]

From an AP story yesterday we have these little gems from our beloved Vicente;

"We are convinced that walls don't work. They should be torn down," Fox said. He called the walls "discriminatory; they attack liberty. So no country that is proud of itself should build walls. Nobody can isolate himself these days."

Oh really? Than you will be opening your southern border with Guatemala and Belize?

Fox said he would discuss ways to create a legal, orderly, dignified migration system with President Bush during the meeting next week in Texas.

Fox insisted Mexico would not meddle in U.S. affairs by lobbying for any legislation, but was ready to offer information if asked.

Wow, what a generous guy!

He said Mexicans "totally reject" what he called vigilante "migrant hunter" groups formed in Arizona to help stem the illegal crossings there, which have risen partly because of the construction of walls elsewhere. The groups "are completely in violation of American law itself and in violation of laws anywhere," Fox said.

You just have to laugh at a statement like this. The groups are formed to help stem the ILLEGAL crossings there! Apparently it is just fine for millions of Mexican citizens to break our laws as long as it is convenient to them but us Gringos better not break any laws.

He said Mexico "will be very alert to react legally against any lawbreaking" by those groups, either under U.S. or international law.

He ceratinly isn't very alert to the corruption, crime and lawbreaking in his own backyard.

[HiJinx]

Time to call your Senator's local staff or DC office and let 'em know we need this funding.

[HiJinx]

I'm more for finding a solution to the problem

As the poll Howlin posted earlier points out, most of us believe, right or wrong, that we need guest labor. We definitely want a solution to the problem - but what problem? Closed hospitals? Criminal gangs? A dearth of jobs for our teens and college students? Cheap lettuce? What is the problem?

In the meantime, this country needs to gain control of it's borders. I don't mean we need to close them, we certainly should keep all of the Ports of Entry open. But we must stop the flood of illegals crossing in between the POEs. They are right now uninvited and unwanted guests in this country. Many are violent felons and we have no idea who many of them are or where they've settled.

Think of the analogy of the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dike. You absolutely cannot drain the flooded hinterlands before first sealing off the dike.

The rational FReepers on my list are not, as you suggest, solely concerned about open/closed borders. But I hope you can see the wisdom of the argument that you cannot have a solution to illegal immigration that either ignores the border problem, or subjugates it to a feel-good jobs program.

[OXENinFLA]

Fox Says Walls Along Border Must Be Razed

[Mo1]

The rational FReepers on my list are not, as you suggest, solely concerned about open/closed borders. But I hope you can see the wisdom of the argument that you cannot have a solution to illegal immigration that either ignores the border problem, or subjugates it to a feel-good jobs program.

I don't believe all Freepers are irrational with regard to the border issue

I believe many have had good discussions and possible solutions to the border and illegal problem our country faces

But you have to admit there are a number that are not rational in their posts

Dragging mexicans out of their homes and putting them in camps is irrational

Putting land mines on the border is irrational

Shooting any mexicans coming across the border is irrational

And twisting the facts is irrational

[One_American]

Yes, I saw that. Unbelievable! I'll say one thing for Vicente, he sure has stones to keep barking out these ridiculous statements. It just amazes me how absolutely none of this applies to Mexico, only to the USA.</p>