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My daughter brought this stuff home and there's virtually no presence of this guy Gunderson on the web. Is this properly balanced material for high schoolers to learn or is it severly one-side and purse an agenda?
1 posted on 03/15/2005 1:02:53 PM PST by George from New England
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To: George from New England

Paragraphs. Reformatting. Friend.


2 posted on 03/15/2005 1:03:57 PM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: George from New England

You might want to format this.


3 posted on 03/15/2005 1:04:09 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: George from New England

MY EYES!!!!


4 posted on 03/15/2005 1:04:21 PM PST by eyespysomething (Vous pouvez vous rendre au garde de securite!)
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To: George from New England
The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding. —Louis Brandeis,1928

Is he talking about Social Security, the Income Tax or what?
5 posted on 03/15/2005 1:05:40 PM PST by Paloma_55
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To: George from New England
My GOD! MY EYES! My EYES!

/sarsasm sort of.

7 posted on 03/15/2005 1:07:13 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is a religion of peace, they should fire their P.R. guy!)
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Another article about Waco?


13 posted on 03/15/2005 1:10:58 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: George from New England
Civil liberties were ignored in the Civil War and for some in WW2.

I myself am not worried about the Patriot act as much as I am about citizens being held without charges or access to a lawyer.

15 posted on 03/15/2005 1:12:49 PM PST by conserv13
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To: George from New England

MY EYES ARE GUSHING BLOOD!!!!!


16 posted on 03/15/2005 1:13:19 PM PST by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: George from New England
Rather than respond to attack with guns, we should respond with food, education, diplomacy, and aid.

This is one of the reasons they don't like us and want to commit acts of terror. This article was either written by a 13-year-old or Maureen Dowd.

Yeah. It's biased.

17 posted on 03/15/2005 1:17:15 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: George from New England
I found this and formatted your post.

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19 posted on 03/15/2005 1:48:33 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: George from New England

Sorry to hear that this kind of stuff is happening to you. Yeah, it's junk, and it sure is not balanced.

If these people are going to talk about civil liberties, they really need to discuss other violations besides the suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War and the Alien and Sedition Acts. You cannot have a balanced discussion of anything related to civil liberties without bringing up the Japanese Internment, Waco, Ruby Ridge, and the Elian Gonzalez affair. All of these events involved some sort of violation of civil liberties.

Of course, we also note that at least in the cases of Waco, the Japanese Internment, and Gonzalez that the violations occurred during times when democrats were in power. Technically, during RR the dems ruled the congress if I recall (a bit before my time). For Waco, the particular problem is the suspension of the posse comitatus, which is a pretty severe step. To a lesser degree, you have a serious of what appear to be extremely coincidental IRS audits of high-profile Clinton critics (Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly) and Conservative Interest Groups (Heritage, NRA) in the wake of the pre-impeachment allegations. This was detailed in a book called "High Crimes and Misdemeanors". Further details on Waco can be found in David Limbaugh's "Absolute Power".

The Partiot Act has stuff in it that could potentially be misused for sure. So far, it has not. I don't have a beef with going over those clashpoints, but I think you cannot go directly from the turning of the nineteenth century, skip forward to the Civil War, then leapfrog another century and a few score to current times. That's a huge glossing over, and even more importantly, history shows that most of these so-called abrigations of civil liberties tend to die out after a bit on their own anyway.

People get whacked out when you bring up Waco or Ruby Ridge because the people involved lived well outside the mainstream. Randy Weaver was affiliated with a variety of White Supremacist groups, and the Davidians were a religious cult. That does not mean that they deserved to die, particularly if nobody was killed by their actions. That in itself is an abrigation of the First Amendment, one would think.


24 posted on 03/15/2005 3:35:27 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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