Killings spark rethinking about concealed weapons

St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | 03/15/2005 | Sylvester Brown Jr.

[Graybeard58]

I am 59 years old. It won't happen in Illinois in my life time.

[eyespysomething]

The ones who are going to do the shooting anyway will get a gun or guns. What the laws do is keep law abiding citizens from carrying.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

That concept, however, leads me to a bigger concern. How do we know who's ordinary and who's capable of mayhem?

We don't, moron, which is exactly the point.

Actually, though, we do have a pretty good idea of who is capable of mayhem based on their past convictions and incarcerations.

But then that would be racial profiling.

[sully777]

I am considering long-term self-defence instruction for my family. The police come after the gun is dropped. Some people in the martial arts suggest jujitsu for the family. Anyone know a better art that can disable perps, even well-armed perps without an ounce of sanity?

[Gilbo_3]

Shotguns ???

[Khepera]

YES... Do not take martial arts to a gun fight, take a gun.

[jdege]

Yep.

The shortest path to the hearts and minds ...

[BostonianRightist]

Anyone know a better art that can disable perps, even well-armed perps without an ounce of sanity?

Target Practice and readiness, i'd consider both to an art.

[sully777]

Shotguns ???

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Geat idea for short-range stopping power, though slightly messy.

I'm just guessing here, if I take a shotgun to a church meeting, or a courthouse, or wherever conceal and carry is not allowed, they may think I'm the problem not the solution. And I think the TSA requirements tell me I can't carry them on planes.

I was thinking more a physical martial art than a mechanical martial art.

[Disambiguator]

I find the Mossberg 590 loaded with 00 Buckshot to be very artistic in a "form follows function" way.

[numberonepal]

Anyone know a better art that can disable perps, even well-armed perps without an ounce of sanity?

Moy Yat Ving Tsun is the most direct "hard" art there is. There's not much pretty about it, but it gets the job done and helps to keep you off the ground (grappling). More experienced practitioners will learn some emergency grappling techniques in Third Form.

Do not confuse with Wing Chun, aka "Water Closet" Ving Tsun. Check out a class sometime. If the folks are relaxed in their training it is VT. If you see a lot of slapping it's WC.

Ving Tsun is great for familes because most of the training requires a partner. And there's lots of training excercises a big man can do with a little girl. It's also cool because in the beginning form there's little moving around so the kids can train in the house without breaking stuff. The biggest benefit of all is learning how to really relax.

For more info see www.moyyat.com
Look for the Moy Yat seal:

[Studebaker Hawk]

The "ordinary guy" profile fits quite a few people who suddenly snap and start shooting people.

...then I, if not dead or dying, will draw my pistol and return fire(doubletap & headshot), dumb ass(the author).

[ctdonath2]

How do we know who's ordinary and who's capable of mayhem?

You don't.

You assume everyone is nuts, armed, and ready to snap at the drop of a hat.

If you plan accordingly, you can calmly deal with the situation if it arises.
If you do not plan accordingly, you cannot deal with the situation if it arises.

Boy Scout motto: Be Prepared.

[blackie]

Get a grip Sylvester!

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security!

[Dead Corpse]

*without reading the rest of the thread first....*

How do we know who's ordinary and who's capable of mayhem?

You don't. That is the Number One reason to at all times be armed. Those who are intent on mayhem, will do so no matter what laws are passed. Carrying arms isn't one of those things you HOPE to use at some point. But they are the only thing that will give you a fighting chance if you DO end up in a bad situation.

[TKDietz]

When I was an attorney in general practice handling a lot of divorce cases I bought a nice small pistol and got a conceal and carry license. Mainly I just kept it in my desk because I was kind of afraid to carry it, thinking I might shoot my ying yang off, and besides, I couldn't carry it to court or to the jail and I was afraid I'd forget someday and carry it somewhere where I wasn't supposed to have it. Now I only do only criminal defense and I feel like I have absolutely no need to carry the thing or even have it around. Deranged ex or soon to be ex spouses in divorce/custody/visitation type cases are much more of a threat than my criminal clients. I would imagine judges and prosecutors feel a little differently.

We've had conceal and carry laws in my state for several years now and I can't think of a single case where someone with such a license got in trouble for shooting someone who didn't need shooting. I imagine someone probably has, but my guess is that a very low percentage of those with such a license get in trouble for inappropriate gun play. I wonder if there are any reliable statistics on this.

[Joe Brower]

I have found that even my basic knowledge of Aikido and Taekwondo have proven very worthwhile on several notable occasions.

[smith288]

I have a coworker here at my job who says "I would rather women get raped than risk getting shot by their gun" I kid you not.