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To aid court security, Maine mulls a tax on guns
Portland Press Herald ^ | March 15, 2005 | GREGORY D. KESICH

Posted on 03/15/2005 6:23:01 AM PST by Fido969

Tuesday, March 15, 2005

To aid court security, Maine mulls a tax on guns

By GREGORY D. KESICH, Portland Press Herald Writer

Copyright © 2005 Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc. E-mail this story to a friend

The sponsor of a bill that would tax gun sales to finance improved court security said the state is "living on borrowed time" because of its repeated failure to deal with the issue.

The bill, which is headed for a public hearing before a legislative committee next week, is among several plans that will be considered by lawmakers this session. Coincidentally, they follow violent incidents in Illinois and Georgia that raised the profile of the court security issue.

"I've been in the Legislature for five years, and I've listened to two different chief justices say this is a problem," said the bill's sponsor, Rep. Deborah Pelletier-Simpson, D-Auburn. "For five years we've done nothing, and we've been very lucky. I feel like we've been living on borrowed time."

The issue of court security was given new urgency Friday, when a defendant in a Georgia rape trial overpowered a deputy and took her gun; he's accused of killing three people before escaping. Two weeks earlier, the husband and mother of a federal judge were murdered in their Chicago home by an unhappy litigant in a civil case.

In Maine, the most pressing court security issue has been the ease with which weapons could be brought into a courtroom.

Unlike federal courthouses and those in most states, Maine courts do not routinely screen people for guns or knives as they enter. Court officials say they have the equipment but can't afford to pay the people needed to staff the machines.

Even routine court matters are stressful for the people involved, says state court administrator Ted Glessner. And nationally, most courthouse violence does not appear to be planned. "Our greatest risk is from the good person who gets upset and acts out," he said.

Pelletier-Simpson's bill would pay for increased court security personnel with money raised from a 7 percent tax on gun and ammunition sales. Supporters estimate the bill could raise $50,000 a year.

That would not be enough to pay for the staffing, says Cathie Whittenburg, executive director of Maine Citizens Against Handgun Violence. "But it would be a good start," she said.

The bill is scheduled for a public hearing March 23 before the Legislature's Taxation Committee. It will be opposed by advocates for gun owners' rights.

"We don't oppose increasing court security, but it should be (funded with an) across-the-board tax," said John Hohenwarter, Maine's state liaison for the National Rifle Association. "I understand that they are looking for ways to raise money, but I don't think a tax on the sportsman is the way to do it."

Pelletier-Simpson says a gun tax makes sense. "The fear in the courts is firearms, so if it's firearms, let's tax that," she said.

Glessner says the judicial branch supports the intent of the bill, but will take no position on its funding mechanism. The courts have requested $1 million a year from the general fund, which would cover most, but not all, of the state's staffing needs for entry screening.

Pelletier-Simpson says if the Taxation Committee opposes the gun and ammunition tax, she will ask that the matter be sent to the Judiciary Committee, of which she is the co-chairwoman, to look for other funding.

"I know we have budget problems, but we ought to have money for this somewhere," she said.

Staff Writer Gregory D. Kesich can be contacted at 791-6336 or at:

gkesich@pressherald.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; courtroom; femalecops; feminism; guns; leftiststupidity; maine; pc; politicalcorrectness; taxes

1 posted on 03/15/2005 6:23:02 AM PST by Fido969
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To: Fido969

I lived there for 14 years, it was a great place to live. Too bad the flaming Libs have taken over.


2 posted on 03/15/2005 6:24:19 AM PST by mortal19440
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To: Fido969

PROBLEM: "The issue of court security was given new urgency Friday, when a defendant in a Georgia rape trial overpowered a deputy and took her gun..."

SOLUTION: "To aid court security, Maine mulls a tax on guns."

ANALYSIS: The State of Maine has decided that a tax will prevent criminals from taking weapons from deputies. The State of Maine is insane and should be locked up.


3 posted on 03/15/2005 6:28:05 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Every morning we awaken to a new dawn is reason enough to celebrate - have a drink, Teddy!)
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To: Fido969
Yes. Taking more money from taxpayers is always the solution.



Of course, maybe there's a place for responsibility, accountability, and enforcement of existing laws.

4 posted on 03/15/2005 6:29:37 AM PST by Theo
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To: WorkingClassFilth

So, does this mean that the state will promote gun sales to raise tax dollars? If no one buys guns, wherever will the money to make courts "safer" come from?


5 posted on 03/15/2005 6:32:24 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

And why do just courts need to be safe? No criminals walking around outside?


6 posted on 03/15/2005 6:32:59 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Isn't it interesting that wasn't pointed out by the writer at the Portland Press Herald, for, all I know probably went to college and might even have taken a course in logic.

Nor will the leftist editors at the PPH point that out when they come out with another timesome editorial on the subject.

Funny thing truth and logic. You won't find it anywhere in the MSM, that's for sure.
7 posted on 03/15/2005 6:40:43 AM PST by Fido969
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To: Larry Lucido
It means that some poor stupid SOB needs to have some sense slapped into their thick skulls. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

No need to look at restraining up violent criminals in court - thanks to the weepy hand-wringing Left.

No need to open a free debate on the usefulness of female police officers in potentially violent situations - thanks to the feminist Left.

No need to ask why firearms were in court when other measures like batons and tasers are viable options - thanks to general stupidity.

No need to ask why local government buys metal detectors and doesn't use them - thanks to local government (and probably Leftist) stupidity.

Some days it doesn't pay to read the news - I just end up having have a heart attack before the day really begins.
8 posted on 03/15/2005 6:40:57 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Every morning we awaken to a new dawn is reason enough to celebrate - have a drink, Teddy!)
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To: Fido969
Court officials say they have the equipment but can't afford to pay the people needed to staff the machines.

Same 'Ol, same 'Ol - a bloated Bureaucracy and poor management. What do you have to pay someone to man the screening equipment? Hire an illigal, they're cheep labor............and no union..........

9 posted on 03/15/2005 6:48:30 AM PST by yoe
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To: Fido969

"might even have taken a course in logic."

Therein is the problem. Logic can't be taught. Either you are born with a logical mind or you are not. Intelligent people have logical minds capable of reasoning and independent thought. All intelligent people are smart but all smart people aren't intelligent. Being smart means having the ability to memorize what someone taught or told you. Being intelligent means you can figure it out for yourself.

This guy has certainly memorized what his liberal college professors have spouted to him but does not have the reasoning ability to figure anything for himself.


10 posted on 03/15/2005 6:49:31 AM PST by DH
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Big suprise here. Since the law abiding are the least likely to do this sort of thing, they must be the ones that present the greatest risk. LibLogic at it's finest.


11 posted on 03/15/2005 6:57:01 AM PST by Colorado Mike
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To: Fido969

What does taxing guns have to do with court security? Just make sure those hired to guard the prisoners DO SO!

More taxes will make a HUGE difference! /sarcasm


12 posted on 03/15/2005 6:59:04 AM PST by madison10
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To: Fido969
Just another lame, contrived excuse for raising taxes. To the freedom-hating, government-loving political left, any angle will suffice.

"To aid court security, Maine mulls a tax on guns"

How about a tax on asshat PC-brainwashed politicians who stupidly think that a diminutive woman in her fifties could ever be a match for a young, large, violent male?

Utterly beneath contempt.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

13 posted on 03/15/2005 7:13:57 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Fido969

How about a tax on lawyers ?


14 posted on 03/15/2005 7:14:26 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Fido969
"Even routine court matters are stressful for the people involved, says state court administrator Ted Glessner. And nationally, most courthouse violence does not appear to be planned. "Our greatest risk is from the good person who gets upset and acts out," he said."

Good people do not solve issues with violence.

If a person's reaction to getting upset is to shoot another person, that person has something seriously wrong with them.

Normal people do not react that way as can be demonstrated by the fact that violent crimes committed by CHL holders are almost nonexistent.

"Pelletier-Simpson says a gun tax makes sense. "The fear in the courts is firearms, so if it's firearms, let's tax that," she said."

She should be removed from office due to her obvious mental illness. Guns are inanimate objects. They do not harm people. They do not possess the ability to harm someone.

It takes a person using the gun in a criminal act to be a problem.

Fearing criminals is rational. Fearing guns because a small percentage of guns are used by criminals is irrational.
15 posted on 03/15/2005 7:25:37 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Fido969

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...the answer here is USER FEES. Levy the tax against those who derive the benefits - the judges, prosecuters, and lwayers who are getting rich trying petty cases. Let THEM pay a surtax on their incomes if they want special security!


16 posted on 03/15/2005 10:46:36 AM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Joe Brower

I wouldn't be surprised to find that the proposed bill requires some form of registration paperwork to accompany the tax.


17 posted on 03/15/2005 12:03:52 PM PST by Disambiguator
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