Shoe used to rob casinos

The Daily Telegraph (Australia) ^ | March 14, 2005

[carumba]

...Kovacs' body including $10,000 in his underpants.

My money says it was in front.

[MindBender26]

This is BS. The speed of the wheel does not take into account the position of the numbers at any given moment, nor does it take into account he speed of the ball in the opposite direction, or all the random bouncing a ball does before it settles in one pocket.

Total BS.

[BJungNan]

Its easy for them to find cheaters.. look for anyone coming out ahead.

I wasn't cheating today! :)

[BJungNan]

You learn so much on FR, Don't you! Now, if someone can just post the plans to this shoe.

[BJungNan]

I can predict that my message should land on . . . post 26.

Ok, arrest that man (how did you do that? That was a pretty good prediction)

My post will be 45!

[Thinkin' Gal]

Not to mention the liquor and whores.

Those would probably be included within the "fortune". :-/

[Thinkin' Gal]

I can predict that my message should land on . . . post 26.

And since 26 is the numeric value of the Tetragrammaton...

[Route101]

You got it....random ball bouncing ends in your own pocket.

[rdb3]

I'm sorry, but I just don't see how this could work. I hope someone can explain it to me, because right now it sounds like BS.

Petro, I'm sticking with football. I wouldn't want to figure out something like this only to get hemmed up by Lucky Lenny and Tony Two-toes. Those types of guys play for keeps.

[Petronski]

I here ya. It's poker for me, something I can manage.

[MindBender26]

On top of all that, you have the position of the ball, its speed, and the little brass pyramids that deflect the ball en route to the number cup.

Finally, the ball does not drop when the wheel slows down, but when the ball does!

We agree. All BS.

Dan Rather would probably have led with story tonight.

[aculeus]

Police found $74,184 in cash and chips on Kovacs' body including $10,000 in his underpants.

Place your bets: boxers or briefs?

[Max in Utah]

Blackjack is my game. I'm getting better at it, and I should... Lord knows I've paid enough for the lessons!

[steve8714]

A 2% variance is huge.

[JudgemAll]

This is BS. The speed of the wheel does not take into account the position of the numbers at any given moment, nor does it take into account he speed of the ball in the opposite direction, or all the random bouncing a ball does before it settles in one pocket.

Total BS.

Read post #7 and you will understand. First you observe a relation between ball place release and speed of the wheel differences and bucket quadrants in which the ball falls.

Your odds thus increase from 35/36 in roulette to actual above .5, thus insuring systematic winning accross losses and win patterns.

The only danger is that you;d fall out of step and go in a losing pattern.

[MindBender26]

Actually not. In the game in question, there were only 6 patterns. In roulette, there are hundreds of thousands of permutation involving the speed of the wheel, the speed of the ball, the angle at which the balls strikes the bump pyramids, the angle at which the then deflected ball hits the first pocket, the places it can bounce.

This is at least as complex as a four bodies, three dimensional gravity problem, and that has no bump pyramids, etc. A 4B3D problem takes even super computers hours to solve.

[MindBender26]

Then add in the varying "bounciness" of different segments of the ball. You are into billions of permutations.

[SuziQ]

How would knowing the speed of the wheel help a person know what number might come up next?

So that the person placing the bet could choose a number before the wheel stops and have better odds of getting the right one. IIRC, in the casinos in which I've played the Roulette wheel, you have to have placed your bets before the wheel is spun. The person spinning the wheel waves his hand over the betting field to signal the time after which no more bets can be placed.

Maybe it's still done the other way in Europe.

[mdmathis6]

You'd have to program an algorithm that started with the starting number, then counted clicks and could extrapolate the length of time to completion taking into the account the lenthening time between each click as the wheel slowed down. The there is the matter of the ball being sent out at what speed and energy. Variables would be how far back the wheel was pushed back before being shoved forward and the amount of drag the wheel was subject to...( drag would be critical at the very end as the wheel may slow up faster than the inertial velocity decay of the ball causing those last minute "bounces").

[KC_for_Freedom]

Clearly, the speed of the ball and the wheel position need to be taken into account. The player with the wheel speed can do this with training. Clearly this guy had a lot of money, I doubt that it was won by chance.

The show Las Vegas" featured this scheme in one of their episodes. The player did have a device that measured the ball speed and wheel position so in effect made the betting far easier. Of course, in playing (cheating) you still must be careful to miss some of the time or you will be caught even faster.