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The lesson that both debaters desperately need to learn is that the very essence of debate is objectivity. .....maybe 50 years ago this was true

sometimes you have to call a Horney Hick a horney hick.....(I was born in West Virginia ---- maybe I am a horney hick too)

I suspect that this author is writing from her heart, and is not writing for an audience, because I don't think she knows who her audience is anymore. I guess I am sorry that she is dissapointed or disillusioned. Her vision of partisian debate is way naive. I guess I am sorry to see her pristine idealism shattered

1 posted on 03/14/2005 7:53:12 PM PST by rface
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I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative. From this day forward I choose the path of true progress. Consider me an objectivist.

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68 posted on 03/14/2005 8:44:41 PM PST by Sister_T (Those who preach tolerance and love, practice it THE LEAST!!)
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"Ashley Samelson is a sophomore..."

She's a sophmore, all right, as in sophmoric, as in shallow, as in superficial. 'Ludicrously thin-skinned' also comes to mind. She immediately becomes 'un-Republican' because Ann Coulter hits hard in a political debate? American political discourse can be a rough-and-tumble affair, certainly no place (I guess) for those with such fragile, eggshell sensibilities.


69 posted on 03/14/2005 8:45:40 PM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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Beinart, editor of The New Republic (liberal), relied on many facts, figures and statistics, giving his argument an objective strength.

Here's an exercise. Do a paper using his facts and figures to back up your statements. Take it to a good objective professor ( there are some ). They would fail you.

70 posted on 03/14/2005 8:45:49 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Witty tag line on back order.)
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Who really won the Ann Coulter-Peter Beinart debate...

Is this like the "Who really won the Richard Nixon-John Kennedy debate" kind of story?

-PJ

71 posted on 03/14/2005 8:46:33 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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do you seriously believe she was a bush supporter or a conservative? It is too seminar caller to be given credence.


72 posted on 03/14/2005 8:48:29 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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Tufts must be a difficult place to attend - all those stellar students forced to lower themselves and attend their 'safety school.'


75 posted on 03/14/2005 8:50:36 PM PST by HitmanLV
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"...she opened with a statement referring to Clinton as a "horny hick." ...

The lesson that both debaters desperately need to learn is that the very essence of debate is objectivity."

To refer to Clinton as a "horny hick" is to express an objective fact.


76 posted on 03/14/2005 8:52:25 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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"I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative"

gee, I wonder how long she's been waiting to use THAT line. 'Cause it's just B-S


79 posted on 03/14/2005 8:57:21 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative.

Another idiot who would fault you for shooting the dog mauling her. The world is full of these self-righteous twits. The thing most important to them is the opportunity to advertise their moral superiority.

I have no use for them. They stab their friends in the back every time they have an audience that will aprove of it.

84 posted on 03/14/2005 9:07:01 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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She's either very naive or very dishonest. If she's a sophomore now, she was about 6 or 7 when Clinton was elected President and 12 or 13 during the period when the Lewinsky scandal dominated the news...and probably being taught by teachers who idolized Clinton. What part of Coulter's gibe did she object to--the "horny" part or the "hick" part? Perhaps she was raised to see nothing objectionable about Clinton's sexual ethics.


87 posted on 03/14/2005 9:25:47 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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"I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative. From this day forward I choose the path of true progress. Consider me an objectivist."

Oh, she's going to start reading Ayn Rand?

:-)


88 posted on 03/14/2005 9:25:51 PM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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Ann is too kind. I prefer to call Clinton a rapist bastard. He is both, you know. The rapist part is obvious, and his mom was impregnated by another man she apparently married before her divorce was final.


89 posted on 03/14/2005 9:32:07 PM PST by doug from upland (Ray Charles --- a great musician and safer driver than Ted Kennedy)
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I think you all miss where this young woman is coming from. She wants a real dialog on issues, not the hardball crossfire shouting match of barbed tongues.

Admittedly, Coulter is better at the latter, and most Liberals don't have enough respect for conservatism PERIOD to have such a dialog.

But this naive Sophomore probably should be exposed to something better than various descriptions of Clinton, if she is to have a political education.

I frankly dont see why the rudeness of Tufts Liberals or Coulter's style should force her to take it out on Bush/Cheney.
it's as silly a OReilly saying he wont tell us who he's voting for because it would ruin his "objectivity". lol. nobody is objective.

But she's attempting to try to be 'objective' ie find her way - hopefully the Tufts environment wont warp her mind too much on the way out. I prescribe:

Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" and

bastiat's the Law.


90 posted on 03/14/2005 9:32:26 PM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major.
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She is sophomoric, and her major will obviously not be logic. To leave the party and conservative movement after hearing a debate is foolish. Many people changed after 9/11. A debate, Ashley dear, is not equivalent and life changing.

91 posted on 03/14/2005 9:34:40 PM PST by doug from upland (Coming soon -- YOU'VE BEEN FREEPED, Vol. 1.; Biden and Kennedy won't like it)
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"I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush 'Taking America forward' pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative."

Oh, puh-leeze. Wait a minute, I've got my tiny violin here somewhere....

Listen, I can't stand Ann Coulter. The woman is a loon, and the only thing she has going for her is a head of hair and a loud mouth. I gave up on her when I heard her say on Sean Hannity that we didn't need a two-party system at all; all we needed was one party and that was the Republicans. Sean tried to laugh it off but she was serious. There's a name for a one-party system, and I hope never to hear it applied to the USA.

That said, anyone who would change parties just because of one loudmouth idiot is probably an idiot herself.


92 posted on 03/14/2005 9:44:51 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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I wonder why Beinart decided to get his butt kicked again by Ann? Last October they were on Book TV debating the election. She wiped the floor with him.
93 posted on 03/14/2005 9:47:15 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Witty tag line on back order.)
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I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door..

The fact that a Bush-Cheney sticker lasted on any door in any kollege for more than 36 minutes (unless it was on the inside) is astonishing. The fact that it lasted until March before a republican took it off is a miracle.

95 posted on 03/14/2005 10:02:48 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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Yeah, they're real "objective" about Nixon.


96 posted on 03/14/2005 10:05:42 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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Who won the damn debate?


98 posted on 03/14/2005 10:29:53 PM PST by need_a_screen_name
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Ashley Samelson should intern with Maureen Dowd to hone her faking skills.


99 posted on 03/14/2005 10:36:40 PM PST by citizencon
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