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Who really won the Ann Coulter-Peter Beinart debate at Tufts University?
The Tufts Daily ^ | March 14, 2005 | Ashley Samelson

Posted on 03/14/2005 7:53:10 PM PST by rface

...she opened with a statement referring to Clinton as a "horny hick." Such spiteful and subjective comments brought laughter from the audience but did nothing to strengthen her opposing argument......I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative

Wednesday's (March 9th) intellectual exchange between Ann Coulter and Peter Beinart was both stimulating and disappointing, but above all, it was quite unsettling.

Both candidates had significant strengths, and they were surely worthy opponents. And it is always a privilege to witness such free exchange of discourse. However, while the debate was feisty and witty, I was left with an overall disturbing sense of deep hatred and political regression.

Beinart, editor of The New Republic (liberal), relied on many facts, figures and statistics, giving his argument an objective strength. Coulter did not respond with as many tangible figures, weakening her position. Beinhart's weakness, however, lay in his inability to keep the argument impersonal. He directed numerous insults at Coulter, most of which were completely irrelevant to the discussion topic.

This reflected the greatest strength of Coulter. She began her opening statements with praise for Beinart. She lauded him as a worthy opponent, a future leader of his party, and a man of great intellect. Beinart did no such thing. Coulter maintained her composure upon the assailment of numerous attacks and withheld from personal retorts completely. In one of her earlier books, "Slander," Coulter argues that liberals cannot debate without using personal insult as a tool, and Beinart certainly proved her point. She prevailed, in my opinion, as the classier of the two in her ability to maintain the purity of the debate without stooping to personally insult her fellow debater.

However, although Coulter was able to abstain from attacking Beinart, she was unable to debate without using vindictive commentary about others. In response to Beinart's factual discussion of Bill Clinton's presidency and what made it so great, she opened with a statement referring to Clinton as a "horny hick." Such spiteful and subjective comments brought laughter from the audience but did nothing to strengthen her opposing argument.

The lesson that both debaters desperately need to learn is that the very essence of debate is objectivity. The purpose of debate is to match facts, reason, and logic to find the ultimate truth that lies within the framework of the debate topic. It is not about who can coin the wittiest one-liners or appeal emotionally to the most people. It is certainly not about who can draw the most laughter or the loudest applause from the audience. The exchange between the two arguers was entertaining, but fell quite short of debate. The atmosphere in Cabot was that of a show, not a serious discussion.

What was most disappointing and indeed quite disturbing was the reaction of the Tufts audience. There was booing and shouting. Afterwards, I overheard a girl say that "people like her [Coulter] should not be allowed to write books," and the comment was received with emphatic agreement. Albeit a comment made in jest, the feeling of hatred in the debate room made it eerie and made my night walk home much darker.

Another girl made a profanity-laden statement that Coulter is a "neo-nazi." I would challenge her to think more carefully about what exactly neo-nazism entails, and when and where exactly Coulter has fit that highly offensive profile before being so boldly accusatory.

Finally, I heard Coulter referred to as a "nutcase" more than once. If that is true, then she is certainly a nutcase in high demand with several popular books, and one who can gracefully hold her own in a room full of hate.

Above all, this debate cast a shadow on my vision of America's political future. While I fully embrace the freedom of discourse and encourage it wholeheartedly, I believe these highly partisan debates can bring nothing but regression. They breed hate and further solidify political schisms. They make people cry out for censorship. They work in no way towards understanding. How much longer can America stand if its most educated citizens are so deeply divided by misunderstanding and hate?

Every great power has unknowingly induced its own demise. My fear is that Abraham Lincoln has already foreseen ours with his statement that "a house divided against itself cannot stand." My genuine plea to fellow believers in the human mind is to throw off self-righteous mantles of partisanship and to work instead towards a more progressive dialogue. Let us make Tufts a birthplace of objective communication in a world of such disarray. Objectivity is the human's only key to truth and provides the only framework within real progress can be sought.

I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative. From this day forward I choose the path of true progress. Consider me an objectivist.

Ashley Samelson is a sophomore who has yet to declare a major.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: beinart; campuscommies; coulter; dirtyrats; dropjournalism; filthyrats; peterbeinart; rats; sorelosers; tuftsaintharvard
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To: A_Conservative_Chinese

I did a search and found it was even posted here (although I missed that -- as I said, I saw it on FoxNews)

CU activist pair pose as GOP- 'Republicans for Churchill' members are registered Democrats

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1340255/posts

At least two members of "Republicans for Churchill," a newly formed group that has publicly supported the embattled University of Colorado professor, are registered Democrats.

Aaron Smith, a 21-year-old CU student, has been toting signs with the group's name and wearing stickers with the College Republican's logo. He talked extensively to media at a Feb. 1 on-campus rally that the College Republicans organized to call for the ouster of tenured professor Ward Churchill.

"Today I feel ashamed to be a Republican," Smith told the Daily Camera.

But county voter registration records show that Smith registered as a Democrat on Jan. 26, 2004. He admitted Wednesday that he is registered with the party and voted for Democratic candidate John Kerry in the presidential election.


61 posted on 03/14/2005 8:34:24 PM PST by FairOpinion (It is better to light a candle, than curse the darkness.)
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To: rface

If the debate deflowered this princess and drove her away from her convictions as a conservative...well...don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out, sweetheart.


62 posted on 03/14/2005 8:35:30 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Every morning we awaken to a new dawn is reason enough to celebrate - have a drink, Teddy!)
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To: the_Watchman

"The author was not so much disillusioned with conservatism as with partisanship. I think she has a point. I do not see how we can meet "in the middle", which is required for a republic to go forward. "



Be serious. This is a standard Dem tactic, pretending to be a Republican to gain credibility.

Today I feel ashamed to be a Republican," Smith told the Daily Camera.

For revelation of the truth, go to:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1340255/posts


63 posted on 03/14/2005 8:37:39 PM PST by FairOpinion (It is better to light a candle, than curse the darkness.)
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To: Fenris6
Would you ditch the Dems b/c of something Susan Estrich said? LOL.

My ears, my ears, don't let Susan Estrich speak.
64 posted on 03/14/2005 8:40:43 PM PST by Righty_McRight
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To: rface

"...she opened with a statement referring to Clinton as a "horny hick." Such spiteful and subjective comments brought laughter from the audience but did nothing to strengthen her opposing argument......I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative"

What a joke! No true conservative would react like this. Her beliefs changed because of a simple debate? She must not have had very strongly held beliefs.

What is she now...a socialist?






65 posted on 03/14/2005 8:41:11 PM PST by RavenATB ("Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." George Bernard Shaw)
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To: rface
I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative. From this day forward I choose the path of true progress. Consider me an objectivist.

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68 posted on 03/14/2005 8:44:41 PM PST by Sister_T (Those who preach tolerance and love, practice it THE LEAST!!)
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To: rface

"Ashley Samelson is a sophomore..."

She's a sophmore, all right, as in sophmoric, as in shallow, as in superficial. 'Ludicrously thin-skinned' also comes to mind. She immediately becomes 'un-Republican' because Ann Coulter hits hard in a political debate? American political discourse can be a rough-and-tumble affair, certainly no place (I guess) for those with such fragile, eggshell sensibilities.


69 posted on 03/14/2005 8:45:40 PM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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To: rface
Beinart, editor of The New Republic (liberal), relied on many facts, figures and statistics, giving his argument an objective strength.

Here's an exercise. Do a paper using his facts and figures to back up your statements. Take it to a good objective professor ( there are some ). They would fail you.

70 posted on 03/14/2005 8:45:49 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Witty tag line on back order.)
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To: rface
Who really won the Ann Coulter-Peter Beinart debate...

Is this like the "Who really won the Richard Nixon-John Kennedy debate" kind of story?

-PJ

71 posted on 03/14/2005 8:46:33 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: rface

do you seriously believe she was a bush supporter or a conservative? It is too seminar caller to be given credence.


72 posted on 03/14/2005 8:48:29 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Sister_T
Hugo Chavez shortly after the debate.

73 posted on 03/14/2005 8:48:52 PM PST by Righty_McRight
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To: rface

Tufts must be a difficult place to attend - all those stellar students forced to lower themselves and attend their 'safety school.'


75 posted on 03/14/2005 8:50:36 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: rface

"...she opened with a statement referring to Clinton as a "horny hick." ...

The lesson that both debaters desperately need to learn is that the very essence of debate is objectivity."

To refer to Clinton as a "horny hick" is to express an objective fact.


76 posted on 03/14/2005 8:52:25 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
I forgot to add that Ann uses facts and figures checked to ten decimal places for accuracy. She's still gets raked over the coals for minor errors. A liberal can do a fact free book, and what few it has are weak, wrong, and outright lies. This person is treated like Einstein.
77 posted on 03/14/2005 8:53:27 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Witty tag line on back order.)
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To: Darkwolf377
I'm with you. This woman's no Republican. Her "can't we all get along" whine puts her squarely with the dems. Or she's a troll.

Based on reading this whole article, I think the author is full of manure. She was not a Republican if one bad speaking engagement was enough to "turn" her.

78 posted on 03/14/2005 8:54:36 PM PST by GOPJ (Liberals haven't had a new idea in 40 years.)
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To: rface

"I went home that night and tore my Bush-Cheney sticker off my door, and took my Bush "Taking America forward" pin off my bulletin board. I no longer consider myself a Republican, or even a conservative"

gee, I wonder how long she's been waiting to use THAT line. 'Cause it's just B-S


79 posted on 03/14/2005 8:57:21 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: HitmanNY
Tufts must be a difficult place to attend - all those stellar students forced to lower themselves and attend their 'safety school.'

Otherwise, they probably don't understand what the fuss is about over all those other schools in neighboring Cambridge.

80 posted on 03/14/2005 8:58:40 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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