Deceit, Thy Name Is Islamism

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[TexasCowboy]

A couple of disagreements, Fred:

"Since that day a legend grew around it that is reflected in the various version of the Books of the Semitic peoples that is known as the Old Testament of the Bible,"

There is no mention of the Kabba in the Old Testament. The only rock that has any significance, in my memory, is the rock struck by Aaron with his staff to produce water in the desert, unless one considers the implication of a meteorite in the Revelations of John.
Some of you Bible scholars who have easy access to a Bible, please jump in if you disagree.

"In fact the Quran is basically the same book, as the Bible, with modifications made over a period of time, first by Mohammed himself and later by Islam’s many adherents, after Mohammed’s death."

Other than the mention of various prophet's names coinciding with the Old Testament names, there is very little resemblance between the Old Testament and the Quran, and absolutely NO resemblance between the New Testament and the Quran.
The Quran twisted the truths of the Old Testament to fit the sick mind of a pedophilic murderer.

[Fred Nerks]

The article was written from the perspective of an Hindu, the site link shows its origin. There are bound to be misconceptions regarding the Old Testament, please feel free to point them out. Mohammad not only plagiarized what he heard from the Hebrews; the koran is a mish-mash of all belief systems that came before, we can forgive the Hindu their confusion I think.
The article I snipped from is interesting in that it describes something of the life of mohammad that is in accordance with the biography written by Canon, Edward Sell. See link to bio in My Page.

[TexasCowboy]

I had read about his grand mal seizures before and his intrepretation that it was angels talking to him.
I also knew about the probability that he had been sodomized several times, but that's nothing new in the Muslim culture.
A young boy is lucky if he escapes that in the MidEast.

I checked the Hindu link, and I wasn't trying to beat up on the Hindus. I just needed to set the facts straight as I remember them.
Thanks!

[USF]

I also knew about the probability that he had been sodomized several times, but that's nothing new in the Muslim culture.

A weird thought just crossed my mind... I wondered if Muhammed (Pork Be Upon Him) may have been mounted and "used" by a wild pig or a dog. It might explain Muslims disdain for these particular animals...

[mrsmith]

"We don't do that kind of bigoted hate here at FR. "

There's been a heck of an attempt to place stupid, hateful anti-Islamic remarks on conservative internet sites since last summer. The left seems- for now- to have found a successful way to discredit conservative internet sites at last.

Hillary won't have to worry about discredited conservative internet sites intefering with her election like we did Kerry's.

[Fred Nerks]

Animals don't do such things...

[Dark Skies]

The left seems- for now- to have found a successful way to discredit conservative internet sites at last.

Would you be willing to say, "let the truth win,"

or are you concerned with victory regardless of integrity of means or method?

[Cronos]

I guess we've outed TBP's Islmic identity

[Cronos]

"Whosoever has spared the life of a soul, it is as though he has spared the life of all people. Whosoever has killed a soul, it is as though he has murdered all of mankind." 5: 32

Very strange words coming from a man who slaughtered entire tribes....

[Cronos]

Tex:

Quit cheating and cherry picking parts of verses!

Give the whole verse:

Quran 005.032 : "For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth."

Wow Tex! TBP: Americans aren't dumb, they aren't weaklings ready to give up when confronted byIslam. Dare I say it, but America would be the catalyst that eradicates this evil philosophy. Just as Rome created a Pax Roma and brought order to Europe and the Mediterranean world, so the USA will do that for the rest of the world -- it rebuilt Europe and Japan and now, under Bush it's going to rebuild the Middle-East.

[Dark Skies]

Very strange words coming from a man who slaughtered entire tribes....

And empty words considering that a man's actions give power to his words.

Which is one of the reasons that all that Yeshua said exudes a unique power.

Even now we are discovering new ways in which His life and scourging and crucifixion (and resurrection) supported His teachings.

[Cronos]

Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia results in over 330 dead.

That incident still shocks me. How could anyone, any sentient, caring human being take CHILDREN hostages, VIOLATE them and MURDER them?? How??? I can understand if they launch an attack on soldiers. I can't understand an attack on civilians (9/11) and an attack on CHILDREN violates every basic sense of decency. From that point on, I refused to seeIslamists as humans, they are worse than animals.

[Cronos]

What's the story behind the poor woman?

[Cronos]

Women inIslam are the lowest of the low.

[Cronos]

The last picture brings out another point -- theIslamics are known paedophiless -- women are denied to them, so they indulge in other activies -- the prophet promised them 72 perpetual virgins inIslamic heaven AND 18 young boys, who 'will seem like pearls'

[Dark Skies]

How could anyone, any sentient, caring human being take CHILDREN hostages, VIOLATE them and MURDER them?

Just my opinion, but you are very close to the truth. As Fred said a few posts above, even animals do not do such things. Only humans are capable of such depravity.

And you are correct to ask, what must happen to a person, what must change in their heart, to permit such depravity?

Of course, there is no proof for an answer...proof is that which can be seen and poked at and touch and measured.

Yet there is an answer...Islam is demonic...Islam is Satanic.

Frightening? Yes.

Is there another explanation? I don't know of one, but I am open minded if you can suggest one.

[Cronos]

Wondrous Treatment Of Women In Islam

T he purpose of this article is to show how the barbaric nature of Islam manifests itself in the cruel treatment of women.

1. Lets start with the "great" Mohammed himself, the founder of this "fabulous" faith. Mohammed was married to Khadija Bibi, his employer and 15 years his senior. At that time Mohammed was 25 years old. He was Khadija Bibi's third husband. Khadija Bibi was a widow when she married Mohammed. For the first time in his life, Mohammed enjoyed a luxurious life.

This shows the parasitic nature of Mohammed who married his employer so that he can live a rich life without putting in a single day's work.

2. Khadija Bibi died when Mohammed was 49 years old. Between the ages of 49 and 63 the "great prophet" married at least 11 times.

This shows how he treated the institution of marriage. For him, women were nothing but objects for sexual fulfillment. Marrying at least 11 women in 14 years throws light on his insatiable sexual appetite.
Read on about the "greatness" of this prophet.

3. Mohammed's favourite wife was Ayesha Bibi who was 6 years old when she was married to him.

Marrying a 6 year old baby clearly shows that Mohammed was not only a womanizer but also a child molester.

4. Mohammed's adopted son Zayed was married to Zainab, daughter of Jahsh. But one day the prophet "beheld in a loose undress, the beauty of Zainab, and burst forth into an ejaculation of devotion and desire. The servile, or greatful, freeman (Zayed) understood the hint and yielded without hesitation to the love of the benefactor."

Mohammed was not satisfied with his own overflowing harem and had to marry his son's wife. His son being a devoted follower of the "great" prophet was more than happy to divorce his wife. What a great father-in-law Mohammed was, a model for all Islamic father-in-laws!

Mohammed preached what he practised. This is supported by the following verses from Quran and Hadiths.

Quotes from the "Holy" Quran on Women

II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will...

Here you can clearly see how highly Islam treats women. Women in Islam are referred to as fields that are to be cultivated by man. What an honour for a Muslim woman!

IV/34: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other.. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.

First point to notice here is that Quran clearly states that Men are superior to women. Secondly, Islam instructs that a man should control his women through brutal violence and fear.

IV/15: (For women) If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness ...confine them until death claims them.

IV/16: (For Men) If two men among you commit indecency (sodomy) punish them both. If they repent and mend their ways, let them be. Allah is forgiving and merciful.

As you can see, for women any sort of sexual exploration is punishable by death. Whereas for a man, any form of perversion is pardoned by the all merciful Allah.

XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies...

Here we see, that a husband can easily accuse his wife (or wives) and eventually sentence her to death by merely declaring four times that the accusation is true. On the other hand, women have no such right in Islam.

Quotes from Hadith TIRMZI AND OTHERS

1. If a woman's conduct is mischievous or immodest, the husband has the right to beat her up but must not break her bones. She must not allow anybody to enter the house if her husband does not like him. She has the right to expect sustenance of her husband. (TR. P 439)
   
2. It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)
   
3. A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last three days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father
   
4. A woman must veil herself even in the presence of her husband's father, brother and other male relations. (TR. P 432)
   
5. She is forbidden to spend any money without the permission of her husband, and it includes giving food to the needy or feast to friends. (TR. P 265)
   
6. A wife is forbidden to perform extra prayers (NAFAL) or observe fasting (other than RAMADAN) without the permission of her husband. (TR. P 300)
   
7. If prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428)
   
8. If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428)
   
9. The marriage of a woman to her man is not substantive. It is precarious. For example if the father of the husband orders his son to divorce his wife, he must do so. (TR. P 440)
   
10. A woman who seeks KHULA i.e. divorce from her man, without a just cause, shall not enter paradise. (TR. P 440)
    On the contrary, a husband can divorce his wife at will.
    
11. Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)
    
12. If a woman refuses to come to bed when invited by her husband, she becomes the target of the curses of angles. Exactly the same happens if she deserts her husband's bed. (Bokhari P 93)
    
13. Women who are ungrateful to their men are the denizens of hell; it is an act of ingratitude for a woman to say: "I have never seen any good from you." (Bokhari P 96)
    
14. A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband. (Bokhari P 27) She is not allowed to practise birth control either.
    

Quotes From Sahih Muslim Hadith

Chapter 540.The prophet said that he saw a woman coming and going in the shape of a devil and she fascinated him. So he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning leather and had sexual intercourse with her. That drove out what he felt in his heart.

Chapter 558. The prophet said: "When a man calls his wife to bed and she does not come, the husband spends the night being angry with her, and the angels curse her until morning. The one who is in heaven is displeased with her until the husband is pleased with her.

Chpater 576. The prophet said :"Woman has been created from a rib, and will in no way be straightened for you."

Anwar Shaikh , the author of Islam: An Arab National Movement says:
"It shows the basic doctrine of Islam about womanhood, that is, she is basically crooked, and man has the right to keep her under his constant vigil; she must never be left alone."

In fact, another hadith expresses woman's position bluntly:

     "I have not left any calamity more
      hurtful to man than woman."

Chapter 619: Selling a cat, selling a dog (unless it is a working dog), and earning of prostitutes(unless they are non-muslims),... are all forbidden.

This verse encourages the Muslim invaders to convert women of other faith into prostitutes for their own enjoyment as prostitution by non-muslims is NOT forbidden. We can see plenty of examples of this throughout history, especially Indian history.

Chapter 1140: The prophet said : "The majority of those who entered the fire of Hell were women."

So Islam considers most of the women are evil in nature and they end up in hell.

Malik 362:1221 Ibn Fahd said "I have some slave girls who are better than my wives, but I do not desire that they should all become pregnant. Shall I do azl(withdrawal) with them?" Hajjaj said "They are your fields of cultivation. If you wish to irrigate them do so, if not keep them dry."

The next three verses are related to each other.

Malik 364:1234 If a woman suckles a baby, she becomes its foster mother and her husband a foster father. If a man has two wives, and one suckles a boy the other a girl, the boy can not marry the girl as the foster father of each is the same.

The next verse contradicts the previous one.

Malik 364:1239 The rule pertaining to foster relationship only applies to children under 2 years. Thus (Malik 365:1243) a grown up man fed with the milk of a woman does not entail fostership.

Read the next verse carefully.

Malik 365:1245 A man said, "My wife has willfully given my slavegirl with whom I used to cohabit her own milk to drink. What is my relationship to the slave girl ?" Omar said "Punish your wife and go into your slave girl".

What more can I say about these golden verses from the "Holy" Quran and the enlightening Hadiths-- guidelines for every true Muslim!

Gazzali, the renowned Islamic thinker summed up the 18 pains that had been visited on Muslim women as a punishment for Eve's transgression in paradise. The list eloquently shows the position of women in Islam and how the social customs were backed up by Islam. Here Islam goes to the extent of saying that even pregnancy and childbirth are punishments from God. Such is the nature of the all merciful Allah!!!

The 18 punishments are:

1. Menstruation
2. Childbirth
3. Separation from father and mother and marriage to a stranger
4. Pregnancy
5. Not having control over her own person
6. A lesser share in inheritance.
7. Her liability to be divorced and inability to divorce.
8. It being lawful for man to have 4 wives but for a woman to have only 1 husband.
9. The fact that she must stay secluded in the house
10. The fact that she must keep her head covered inside the house.
11. The fact that 2 women's testimonies have to be set against the testimony of one man.
12. The fact that she must not go out of the house unless accompanied by a near relative.
13. The fact that men take part in Friday and feast day funerals while women do not.
14. Disqualification for rulership and judgeship.
15. The fact that merit has 100 components, only one of which is attributable to women while 999 are attributed to men.
16. The fact that if women are profligate they will be given only half as much torment as the rest of the community at the ressurection day.
17. The fact that if their husbands die they must observe a waiting period of 4 months and 10 days before they remarry.
18. The fact that if their husbands divorce them , they must observe a waiting period of 3 months or 3 menstrual periods before remarrying.

[Zman516]

Islamists, communists, Democrats.

Brothers-in-arms.

[AmericanVictory]

Yes, but only the West carried it forward.

[Cronos]

Other than the mention of various prophet's names coinciding with the Old Testament names, there is very little resemblance between the Old Testament and the Quran, and absolutely NO resemblance between the New Testament and the Quran.

Actually, Mo probably heard some distortions of the Bible around Mecca -- note that the central Arabian peninsular was outside the 3 main Empires of that time -- it was not part of the Byzantine (Catholic-Orthodox christian) Empire or the Persian (Zoroastrian) Empire or the Ethiopian-Yemeni (Monophysite Christian) Empire. I believe there were many Arians (who didn't believe in the divinity of Christ) in that area who escaped from Byzantine lands and were not welcome in Persian lands (as Persia had a large Nestorian Christian population). The Koran contains distortions of the Bible and Zoroastrian texts all wrapped up in central Arabian folklore.

Also, though Mo tries to potray Arabic as something divinely created, it's not, rather it is derived from Aramaic with influences from old Ethiopian.